Hoo wants to be a Hokie? That question was raised multiple times last year during the days of Leitao-led wandering in the desert. It was one of the worst basketball seasons in Virginia history, and now this football season seems to be shaping up to be just as historically awful.
So I decided to revisit that troublesome question and revisit my past. As a former Tech student, I had experienced what it was like to be a Hokie fan a few years ago before transferring to Virginia. Is it okay to reminisce and wish I was a Hokie sports fan once more? Or is that blasphemy? There are corollaries that go along with those questions. What is Virginia Tech doing right that Virginia is doing wrong? What can Wahoos learn from the Hokies’ success, other than bitterness and envy?
So I decided to do some first-hand investigation into the matter. I decided to re-become, for one more weekend, a Hokie. After a week of pleading and begging with my Hokie friends, I found a student ticket to the No. 13 Virginia Tech-No. 19 Nebraska game in Blacksburg and made plans to sneak into the craziest part of the student section in Lane Stadium — the first row behind the Marching Virginians, maroon and orange all around me.
I had no desire to make this a detached, observational study. I decided to immerse myself in the noises, smells, sights and emotions of a Hokie gameday, hoping to learn if Virginia Tech football fans are all they’re cracked up to be. I put on a maroon shirt, went to a tailgate and acted for about 24 hours as if the Hokies really were my team.
So, after a Friday night of board games and TV reruns — I needed to be fully functional for the gameday experience — I woke up Saturday morning and headed to my first-ever Virginia Tech tailgate.
I walked toward the parking lots on the edge of campus and could not believe my eyes. This was no ordinary tailgate. It was a sprawling mecca of football celebration: cheap beer, seven-layer dip, and orange T-shirts as far as the eye could see.
It wasn’t people just milling around, ready for a social experience. People were really into it. It seemed every soul was fired up for football. You couldn’t go five minutes without hearing someone shout “Let’s go!” with a follow-up by everyone around him or her of “Hokies!”
Instead of trash, as I sort of expected, it seemed like class. Sure, there were a few signs like “You honk, we drink” or drawings of cornhuskers suffering painful deaths, but there was also a tent and pickup that had a big poster reading, “Hokie Hospitality: Nebraska fans welcome to join us.”
Perhaps the most impressive sight was one Suburban that had, attached to the back, a big-screen TV tuned to ESPN, powered by a small generator. I’m not joking.
After I found my friend, had a burger and dominated a cornhole game, we decided to head to the stadium.
Getting into the stadium was mass hysteria. A large group of people were squeezing and pushing to get to the gate, and I loved it.
Finally I got to my seat, and I was embarrassed with how little internal resistance I faced in getting swept away with Virginia Tech spirit. There was not a spot of bleacher anywhere. More than 60,000 fans gave a deafening “Let’s go Hokies” cheer.
All was going well until a few minutes before kickoff, when an earthquake hit. At least, that’s what I thought at first. Metallica’s “Enter Sandman” began blasting from the speakers and everyone near me started jumping up and down, making the bleachers shake dangerously.
The band started the fight song, the H-O-K-I-E-S flags shot up and the players took the field. Every person in the stadium went absolutely nuts.
The game itself started with a bang. Virginia Tech scored on the first drive, and the noise echoed louder still. The band played the Tech’s three-part fight song. I still love our Auld Lang Syne rip-off, but I was really impressed with the fan participation in the Hokie fight song.
It was immediately following this touchdown that I witnessed an awesome tradition. Several fans in the area literally jumped out of the bleachers to the balcony in front of the seats and gave monumental, running-start chest bumps to each other. It was a primal, almost animal-like form of celebration, but I’ll be darned if their joy and energy wasn’t contagious.
After that opening drive, the game quickly became a snoozer. A field goal here, nice defensive stop there, but not much of the game was “Sportscenter”-worthy.
This was the part of the game in which the fans impressed and surprised me the most. It was a breath of fresh air compared to some of the impatient Virginia fans I know. Nobody checked their phones for texts every five minutes, no flocks of girls in sundresses headed for the exits at halftime and it seemed nobody got bored and sat down, waiting for something to happen. They just stood up and cheered for three good hours.
The game rolled along with little excitement. Just as it seemed Virginia Tech had run out of time, down by five with a minute to go, junior quarterback Tyrod Taylor lobbed the ball downfield in desperation. Redshirt sophomore wide receiver Danny Coale grabbed the pass, held on with his fingertips and dashed to the three yard line.
Even I lost it this time. There was a mass of hugging and tackling, a pile of people that would probably be construed as a bar brawl in a different setting.
A few plays later, Taylor threw a game-winning touchdown to sophomore receiver Dyrell Roberts. I got in on the chest-bumping after this score, and scrambled to the balcony, eager for the mass chaos once the last second ticked off on this close win.
What happened next is something about which I remain a little bit ashamed. I saw fans, including my good friends, running down the stairs. Rushing the field after beating a lower-ranked opponent? I’ve taken a hard stance that rushing the field is overdone.
And yet I still darted down the endzone. What can I say? The fan energy was too much. The tumultuous clamor of overjoyed fans didn’t just ring off of the rafters, it echoed in my sports-loving heart. I rushed the field not in celebration of a Hokie win — which I technically root against — but in celebration of the discovery of what a good fan base can bring to the game.
Yeah, the key-clanging on third down is a little bit silly and the rabid enthusiasm is weirdly intense. But it’s nice to see people who care about the actual football more than, or at least as much as, the social aspects of the game.
Of course, the Hokies’ regular competitiveness is the prime factor in motivating the fans, but the biggest difference between Hokies and Wahoos runs deeper than wins and losses. It’s a genuine interest in the sport and a tenacious optimism.
I could bore you with details of the experience I respected and enjoyed — from the classy touch of the Marching Virginians playing the Cornhusker fight song before the game to a guy dressed like a maroon and orange version of King Leonidas from the movie “300” — but the revelation to me is that it’s a fan’s duty to make a football game a profound experience, not a football team’s.
Yeah, Groh should probably go, and we shouldn’t accept a losing record, but look in the mirror before you start slinging too much mud. I’m still a Wahoo at heart, and I still think our school is better, but catching the Hokie virus for a weekend verified that Hokies are miles ahead of us as football fans.
A) Lane stadium does not hold 80,000 people, so your facts are wrong.
B) That receiver was open b/c Nebraska blew a coverage, not because Taylor had to throw up a desperation pass. It was an easy throw that any college quarterback should have made. Bottom line is that Tech was handed that game because Nebraska thought they only had to play for 59 minutes, not 60.
Biggest problem with Cav Daily sports section is lack of sports knowledge from its writers. I guess I shouldn’t complain though, of all the true sports fans I knew while I was at UVA, none of them would have ever considered writing for the paper, so I guess this is what we get.
Editor’s Note: Thank you for pointing out the incorrect Lane Stadium seating capacity. The article has been updated with a correction.
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Your third paragraph from the end tells the tale. Oh, we can be crazy, too! And, have been crazy in the midst of losing. And, there was a day “back in the day” when we wore blue blazers and ties (sans shirts) and Weeguns (sans socks) to the games armed with our trusty pocket flasks! And back then we called the Hokies them farmers from VPI, the Turkeys (Gobblers). And we “hated” those second class, no brain in their head” rivals. And we claimed that since they had no brains, all they could do was play football. Hmmm. Play football. That might give you a clue that they played a lot better than us a lot more frequently than we care to remember even way back in the “let’s go protest in the streets” 1960s. Tech’b been winning a long time. We had a brief “15-minutes of fame” with ole George. But, you know what? I STILL get excited, if too oft overly disappointed and depressed! Go Wahoos!
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I was about to rip your article apart, but UVA 2008 covered everything. Go back to Virginia Tech, no one appreciates your point of view here.
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I think he was just giving another point of view. Everyone is different, Tech has their football and UVA has their sundresses. Whoop de do.
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Worst. Article. Ever.
Like UVA 2008 said the only reason they won that game is because of an awful defensive play call.
Also, as a UVA student and as an alum, me and my fellow Wahoos watch football on ESPN while tailgating on the Reg. We also trash Hokie supporters like you on the Reg. Hence we are better than you… on the Reg.
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I am a UVA season ticket holder for 27 years who happens to be married to a Hokie and I also attended the VA Tech-Nebraska game Saturday. It was the first time I had attended a game in Blacksburg for ten years. I was shocked at the differences between attending a UVA game, and a Tech game. As much as I hate to admit it, Tech does everything football wise bigger and better than UVA. I dislike Tech more than anyschool in the country. I get sick of hearing every season how good Tech is and how bad UVA is, and being the joke of the state, but the fact of the matter is Tech fans are more positive, hospitable, loyal to their team than UVA fans. Look how they travel to bowl games and look at our track record at bowl games. Just walking through the parking lot at Tech I was invited to join three tailgates with people I had never met. Other than my own tailgates at UVA games, I have never had anyone invite me to join a tailgate. I brought my 7 year old to the TCU-UVA game two weeks ago and for the first time I was embarrassed to be a UVA fan. People were screaming, swearing, and booing at our team the entire game. I actually felt sorry for the players walking off the field at halftime. It is not the players fault our coaching staff is inadequate. The loser sitting behind me spilled his whiskey all over my back and seat, and had to be escorted from the stadium for the second week in row. I am sick of us losing, but I am also sick of our negative fan base. No wonder Tech gets better in-state recruits. If you were a recruit and attended the TCU-UVA game, and the next week attended the Tech-Nebraska game, which school would you attend. I will never like Tech because I bleed the Blue and Orange, but it sure was nice to attended a game with fans that “get it”. Maybe the author of this article was on to something when he said we could learn a few things from Tech fans.
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If I were a recruit, I’d attend the school that would give me a better education and didn’t smell like a pig farm. Also the one that doesn’t have a history of dirty players (the vicks, deangelo hall, victor harris, to name a few).
Their fans “get it,” because that is all they have to GET. what else is there down in Blacksburg?
Also, if you look at thesabre.com or some other web publications, you’d see that TCU fans wrote letters to Craig Littlepage and to the UVA fan base as a whole saying how amazing their experience was tailgating with and around us at Scott Stadium. These fans (from Texas, where football is certainly a bigger deal than it is in Virginia) were welcomed to many a tail gate, and as one said in his letter to Mr. Littlepage, “Virginia should be a required road trip for any football fan in America.”
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Come to SEC country….Blacksburg is nothing to Gainesville or the other SEC venues ive been too…for the best college football experience ever…FL/GA in Jax…the world’s largest cocktail party…doesnt get any better than that…UVA football…fun but its not real college football..
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I would like to call for your immediate resignation from this paper. After reading this article I was disgusted at what I saw the Cavalier Daily become. A paper for UVa students containing an article on how one of our students admitted to rooting for our biggest rivals. If this was to happen at Duke, and a student admitted to rooting for UNC in basketball, that student would be thrown off campus. The reason this rivalry is not one of the best in college sports is because of people like you. To say that we aren’t better football fans than Tech fans is a ridiculous statement. I would louder and happier too if my team was consistently ranked in the top 25 and contended for a BCS bowl every year. The fact Wahoo fans keep coming back to the games even after horrible games like W&M, is a testament to our fanhood. You are also comparing two totally different cultures for football weekends. Here, it’s classy, people wear shirts and ties, some wear orange t-shirts, but above all it’s a generally classy day where fans mingle, talk, and respect each other. Tech’s atmosphere is completely different. If you really think that going to Tech games is a lot more fun than these games, don’t come anymore. Spend your weekends at Tech and cheer with them. If it were up to me, you would be fired from the Cavalier Daily for this utter garbage that you call an editorial.
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And look at the some of the winners who have graced our grounds over the years. How many players in the last 10 years have been arrested from our program? I don’t want to waste my time digging up that list. If Groh could recruit those players to UVA, he would. Those TCU fans must have partied with the fans in Fontaine, not the big money parking lots. And yes, UVA would be a great game to schedule for any school, for all 112 teams in Division -1 currently. Who wouldn’t be happy to play us now? Who wouldn’t be happy after traveling across the country to watch their team put a beatdown on an opponent in such a beautiful area of the country liek Charlottesville. Of course TCU fans were happy. And the “better education” comment is a joke. If UVA was so worried about academics, then half of the “student” athletes should have never gotten addmission into the school. Let’s say you had a child with 1500 SAT’s and a 4.0 GPA and they got denied admission to UVA, but you see “scholars” like Jameel Sewell admitted and then see how he dismisses the importance and privelage of an education that he is receiving for free. Seems a bit ridiculous and hypocritical to me. And better education depends on what career you want to pursue. By the way, there are many more places in Charlottesville I would not want to be and smell that are a whole lot worse than a pig farm in Blacksburg…And does Blacksburg even have any pig farms? If I were a recruit that wanted to be cheered and supported and get more exposure(not play all of my conference games at 12 noon), would UVA be the place to spend the next 4-5 years? Not after what I witnessed two weeks ago in Scott’s Stadium. I agree Al must go, but will changing the coaching staff change the atmosphere in the stadium. These fans are probably the same fans that were booing for George Welsh to be fired back when we won 7 games a year and went to a bowl game. I loved winning 7-8 games a season then and I would love to win 7-8 games a year now. At least we beat Tech every other year.
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Have you not noticed how welcomed Tony Bennett has been on campus even though he hasn’t even coached a game? Aside from Coach O’Connor he is probably already one of the most respected coaches on campus.
Most schools also find loopholes and give athletes credit for participating in Varsity Sports, UVA is one of the few schools that does not participate in this loophole. Give athletes like Jameel Sewell credit for at least putting in hard work and becoming academically eligible to be part of the football team again. We actually stay to our academic standards, Tech has much lower educational standards and they still allow their athletes to fall below them.
Also, a 1500 on the new SAT is an awful score and not UVA worthy at all. If you were talking something like a 2200 and a 4.0 GPA, believe me it wouldn’t be athletes that would be holding them back. That is an awful and contradictory argument to make.
And finally in terms of getting people drafted, UVA is right on the same level if not better than Tech at getting people drafted. UVA has 23 people in the NFL, Tech has 25, and one of those is Michael Vick.
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hahaha all stupid UVA fans complaining that “tech got lucky”. VT must be lucky every year then, and I’m sure those things called rankings don’t really mean anything about the skill of a team.
Oh, and VT only has the #1 architecture program in the country, and #14 engineering nationwide too, but it must not be a very good school.
Idiot wahoos… go play dress- up or something queers
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Great article!Your always welcome in BLACKSBURG.The grapes aren’t near as sour up here as in hooville.
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Hey, it’s a light-hearted article about a football game. The writer didn’t bring up SAT scores or any of that stuff. Step back a second and take a deep breath.
It’s a story about atmosphere and how it differs from Virginia, not a reason to bash his own school.
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God I wish they would just can me already. I have to be the worst coach ever. William & Mary!?!? Are you serious?!!?
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They should have kept me and let dad go!
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I think the real reason the VT UVA rivalry (in relation to what someone said earlier) isn’t a big rivalry is because you guys lose to us a lot.
I realize that the overall record is in your guys favor, but lets be honest. We’re considering mid 90′s onwards. Its not much of a rivalry if you keep beating up your little brother all the time, and it’s even worse if your lil bro doesn’t even put up a fight.
And like the other guy said too. Relax. It’s just an article about different atmospheres and opinions. Last time I checked it was a free country, and you can write anything you want without McCarthyism coming back again.
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As a lifelong Hokie fan I was brought up to hate the University of Virginia. I was always told it was full of snobs and the high class bankers kids. Yes I did grow up on a farm in rural Virginia and yes I have worked by butt off in order to help my family making a living, but I must say that the level of snobbery on some of the comments on this article is ridiculous. Virginia fans always use the excuse of we’re an academic school, yet complain when they can’t win a ball game. They get guys arrested, but they don’t get arrested for things as bad as Tech students are arrested for. The fact is Virginia and Tech are two totally different universities and that is what makes for a good rivalry. The reason we as Hokies do hate UVA so much is because of the stereo types of the snobbish behavior. I know great UVA fans and I know snobby UVA fans and after the past couple of weeks that the your program has had I was hoping that the Hoos could get it back on track. Well after reading some of the comments on this board I hope Virginia never wins a ball game again. Keep in mind that all those agriculture majors are the ones figuring out how to feed your family. I have nothing bad to say about Virginia as a university and Charlottesville as a town, but the attitudes of the universities supporters is down right pitiful.
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Hey UVA 2008, don’t strain your neck too badly from looking down your nose, OK pal? I hate to break this to ya, buddy, but the fact is that there has been every bit as much “thuggery” at UVA over the years as there has been at VT. Don’t believe me? Here’s a list for your kind perusal …
• Barry Word, Kenny Stadlin & Howard Petty (football) – Arrested and convicted on cocaine trafficking charges.
• Darryl Quinten Smith (football) – Arrested and convicted of armed carjacking and murder after gunning down a teacher in the parking lot of her school. Now serving life in prison.
• Melvin Whitaker (basketball) – Arrested and convicted of felonious assault after slashing UVA defensive tackle Maurice Anderson’s face with a box cutter after an argument during a pick-up basketball game.
• Antoine Womack (football) – Arrested on charges of felonious assault after he and three other men ganged up on a UVA student. Never missed so much as a single practice.
• Ottowa Anderson (football) – Beat up his live-in girlfriend no less than 4 times (as evidenced by the fact that police responded to 4 domestic violence calls at the residence) before Al “The Strict Disciplinarian” Groh suspended (not dismissed) him from the team.
• Elton Brown (football) – Arrested and charged with felonious assault in high school after teaming up with teammates to beat up a student from a rival high school at a party. Continued to be recruited by UVA and admitted to UVA with no problems. A few years later, was arrested again for the exact same thing while at UVA. Didn’t miss any game time.
• Elton Brown (basketball) – Arrested on weapons charges after threatening a man with a gun in a Charlottesville shopping mall.
• Yubreneal Isabelle (football) – Punched out a Georgia Tech student on the field at Bobby Dodd stadium after a close 41-38 loss. Incident captured on videotape.
• Othell Wilson (basketball) – Charged with kidnapping, raping and assaulting his former girlfriend over a three-day period. Was eventually acquitted.
• Ralph Sampson (basketball) – Indicted on perjury charges and on charges of failing to make over $300,000 in child support payments. Later pleaded guilty to mail fraud charges and was sentenced to two months in prison.
• Olden Polynice (basketball) – Arrested on shoplifting charges. Pleaded no contest.
• Darryl Presley & Scott Johnson (basketball) – Arrested and pled guilty to shoplifting.
• Courtney Alexander (basketball) – Dismissed from the UVA basketball team after assaulting his girlfriend
• Adam Fassnacht (lacrosse) – Arrested and charged with aggravated assault after beating up a Princeton University student.
• Harold Deane (basketball) – Arrested and charges with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest after being refused admission to a private party.
• Eddie Pinigis, Zac Stair, Mike Brown & Vince Redd (football) – Arrested and charged with breaking & entering with intent to commit assault after a late-night rumble at a UVA frat house.
• Matt Schaub (football) – Arrested and charged with assault & battery. Charges later dropped.
• Matt Lescanic (football) – Dismissed from the football team after being charged with assault and battery on a female.
• Marques Hagans, Kenneth Tynes & Brandon Lee (football) – Arrested and charged with disorderly conduct after a melee at a UVA dorm in which former UVA player Jermaine Winborn was shot in the leg.
• Ahmad Bradshaw (football) – Arrested for underage drinking and obstruction of justice shortly after arriving at UVA. Had been in constant trouble with the law all through high school. VT elected not to recruit him because of this. Apparently his reputation didn’t bother UVA.
• Brad Butler (football) – Deliberately tried to cause injury to an opposing player by diving at his injured knee from behind after the play was over. Later voted by ESPN analysts as “The Dirtiest Play In College Football History.”
• Thierrien “Bud “ Davis (football) – Arrested and charged with larceny after stealing $200 worth of textbooks from the UVA bookstore with the intention of re-selling them.
• Ahmad Brooks, Vince Redd & Tony Franklin (football) – Repeatedly tested positive for marijuana to the point where all were eventually dismissed from the team.
• Corey Anthony Moseley (football) arrested and charged with disorderly conduct after refusing to leave a UVA weekend dance as ordered by security personnel. Ausar Walcott (football) arrested and charged with obstruction of justice after attempting to interfere with the arrest of Moseley. Charges eventually dropped.
• Mike Brown (football) arrested and charged with grand larceny, possession of stolen property with intent to sell, alteration of stolen property, and possession of marijuana. Later arrested and charged with DWI after refusing to take a breath test.
• J’Courtney Williams (football) arrested and charged with credit card theft and credit card fraud.
• Football players Will Barker and Dave Roberts arrested and charged with larceny after admitting to stealing beer from a cooler at a Charlottesville gay bar. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that.) Roberts also charged with using a fake ID.
• Rashawn Jackson (football) arrested and charged with breaking & entering and grand larceny. Incident occurred in late October 2008. As of July 2009 he was still on the UVA football team, probably due to the fact that he was the team’s starting fullback.
And those are just the ones I know about. So please don’t trot out that tired, lame excuse ever again. Any program that can accept recruits like Ahmad Brooks, Philip Brown, and Darryl Blackstock most certainly ain’t “academically selective”.
UVA and VT recruit the same players and have for quite some time. VT just does a better job of a) signing them and b) developing them once they have them.
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i dont understand why we suck so bad every year…i mean sure our school is hard to get into but our football players are just as dumb as techs if not dumber…we suck dick and will never be an accomplished sports team…except maybe womens basketball but who watches that bullshit anyways…UVA BLOWS! I SHOULD TRANSFER TO TECH!!!
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Dave Leito was welcomed too his first year. If the losses start adding up for him in his first couple of years, people will want him out too. I am not knocking Jameel Sewell for working his way back into school, my argument is that if this is such an elite instition of higher learning, then why do they admit borderline “student” athletes. He should have never been admitted in the first place. I do not understand why the University admits these guys, sets their standards well above what most schools do, knowing good and well that many of these guys won’t make it, and then kicks them out of school when they fail academically. It seems like a recipe for failure. I understand that this theory works for all other sports at UVA, but unfortunately, football has more of these “borderline” student athletes just by the shear number of players and scholarships they are alloted, and the type of athletes they have to recruit to be competetive. Either we have to lower the standards to what everyone else does, including Tech, or accept the fact that we will never have an elite program. How much does winning mean to the school and fans? And more importantly, how important is all that money the school is losing with all of those empty seats that will be in Scott’s Stadium the rest of the season? There has to be a happy median. I would take 7-8 wins every season with a victory over Tech sprinkled in every couple of years. It is a tough call to compromise your standards to stay competitive. It will take a very special coach to win here. We had one before. Hopefully, we will get one soon. And Matisyahu, where does it say that Tech’s academic standards are lower than UVA’s? And where does it say that Tech’s players fall below these academic standards? Where would I find that information to compare the two schools? Do you think I could find these standards on both school’s websites. I am not trying to be a smart…, I would really like to know the differences between the schools standards. They are both state run institutions, so that information has to be available to the public, right??
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We are having cheese & Zimas at our tailgate.
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I grew up in C’ville and attended UVA. I will always be a Wahoo but also attended a VT game (Marshall) a couple of weeks ago as part of a visit to my uncle’s house. The writer is right on the money–the atmosphere and energy are incredible at a VT game. Some of you need to stop being so closed minded…everyone in Blacksburg is not a pig farmer. Lighten up!
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i don’t understand what the internet has come to when you can’t just write little blubs bashing a rival school without all sorts of people rushing to break it down and point out all the inaccuracies. my main issue is just with UVa students, fans, and “sportswriters” continually talking about how sweet their football atmosphere is and how we should try to be more like them.
this was a great little back and forth until someone posted this article on TSL and brought all the hokies out to post. What i can’t figure out is how they have internet access in the middle of the day, didn’t realize mcdonald’s was letting employees use computers on the job now.
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so thats where my Al’s Crazys have been…..
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It’s funny when UVA fans site GA / FL as an argument against why we have such a bad atmosphere. If you had seen VT vs. Bama it killed the Cocktail party. Been to both and almost every SEC stadium…minus TN and Bama. Just saying that VT has a great program, great atmosphere etc and why it is voted most intimidating stadium to play from Rivals, ESPN, Etc. Beat it.
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I like the friendly rivalry and when UVA is playing anyone other than Tech, I root for them. It’s good for the state. Not sure why you have to be so bitter UVA2008. I love C-ville too. But B-burg is the place to be Saturdays in the fall!
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He’s right! UVA Fans are fair weather fans! I’m a wahoo and I’ll be the first to admit it. My personal opinion is that until we create majors for athletes, our football/basketball teams will also be inferior. Our school is not very accommodating to athletes and we must accept that our teams will be mediocre. That being said… don’t pay the coaches as much because it is wasted money.
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UVA 2008 why don’t you take your elitist attitude and Audi A4 back to your crappy house with your upside down mortgage. Just because you went to UVA does not automatically put your salary above everyone that went to VT. I am a VT grad, and would be willing to bet I donate more money to my school than you make in a year. Get over your popmous self and sit back in your cubicle where you will strive to one day be a manager making $63k a year. Whoo HOOO!!
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UVA2008, if you are going to quote the letter to Craig Littlepage, please do so in its entirety. Sheesh, even us VT burger flippers have journalistic integrity.
“Virginia should be a required road trip for any football fan in America. Because you get to see your team beat the pants off those cupcakes!”
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taaaake it easy everybody… im from cville and went to tech so i know both fanbases well… and all i have to say is cant we all just get drunk and thank god we arent wvu or maryland??
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Oh Wahoos….
You can talk about your SAT scores. You can talk about how cool it is to wear blazers and sundresses and bowties(possibly all three simultaneously for some of you fellas). You can talk about the joys of chardonnay and zima vs. cheap, cold beer. But, when it ultimately comes down to it, you already have your reward…and that is SAT scores, blazers, and Zima. We’ll take the revenue, national recognition, ACC Championships(emphasis on the plural), and BCS Bowl appearances.
It almost seems unfair to write this, as UVA football speaks for itself. However, some UVA fans on here call us PIG farmers…I take offense! The fact is, we’re a school comprised of working men and women who aren’t afraid to get a little tough..and the fact that our school consistently DOMINATES yours in football reflects that. And it’s suiting that we’re blue collar and you are popped collar…we’ll take the hardware(trophies, in case I’ve lost you at this point), and you can take the moral victories(SAT scores and “classy” snobbery).
Enjoy your 0-win season, Wahoos.
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All of these comments show why everyone who doesn’t go to UVA, hates UVA.
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Wow, since all of you UVA students are the pretentious descendants of Thomas Jefferson, I guess the bloodline is finally getting too thin. Virginia Tech is simply better at football. The festivity is bigger, better and more hospitable, the player development is better, the coaching is extraordinarily better, and the on field product is better. Also, it takes a lot more strength to run a pig farm than it does to hold a glass of chardonnay. Students at both schools are still getting college degrees and have the work ethic to make a difference in the world. When it comes down to it, its a sheet of paper, your actions will get you places.
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VT2008, where do you get “the overall record is in your guys favor”?
VT leads the football series all-time 48-37-5 (56.1%).
When the two teams have shared the same conference (ACC, Southern) it is also 13-3-3 (76.3%) in favor of Tech
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Okay, sure, Blacksburg is better for football games… ya might even get a VICTORY. But, I’d choose a visit to Charlottesville over Blacksburg ANY DAY! It’s a far superior city in terms of atmosphere outside of football games… which sorry guys, there’s more to life than just football. I’m just saying!
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hahaha, great comment cvillehokie!
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There’s more to life than football, sure…but we’ve got the good life. Great town, great people and some 10 win seasons in our pockets. You can enjoy the mediocrity of sports and entertainment that go in and out of Charlottesville i suppose, if that’s what gets you out of bed and into your Banana Republic chinos in the morning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW4I5KQGYik
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Some of the responses to this article are absolutely ridiculous. Each school has its positive and negative aspects, and football is not one of our better ones now. While I have not been to a Tech game yet, I can certainly imagine how the atmosphere at UVA could be improved. I’m a bit hypocritical as I write this, because I am guilty of being one of the not-exactly-diehard fans at games, and yeah, it would be great to have a winning team for once. But I would never demand that the writer resign from the paper- he was simply presenting his opinion and impressions of the Tech game, and commenting on the (true) fact that UVA fans could use some self-improvement. We do have the right to free speech, as someone said earlier, and just because we attended UVA does not mean we have to speak about it as if it is a perfect place. Tech is not perfect either, but I know some great and smart people there, and the comments made here are prime examples of why UVA is known as a school full of snobs and D-bags.
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VT Mikey, you’ve obviously never been to Charlottesville!
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I have, the only good thing about that town is Bodo’s Bagels. Otherwise, it’s nothing special.
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As a Hokie, I know why they call us “pig farmers and rednecks”. It’s because we talk about their “wine and cheese” and “Banana Republic chinos”. We’re just as guilty. They’re both good schools with different strengths. Get over it people!
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“UVA football is the softest bunch of cream-puff, bow-tie wearing, brie cheese eating, ascot wearing wussies I’ve ever seen in my life. There’s not a softer bunch of cookie dough eating weenies than the UVA football program. Those guys wear makeup to games..Under soft they have a Cavaliers football logo in the dictionary…Virginia Tech and Virgina go toe to toe, put your money on the Hokies. They’re just tougher…”
-Colin Cowherd
I figured that just about sums it up.
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VT Mikey – majority rules!
Charlottesville Rankings and Awards:
Best City to Live in the U.S. in 2004
Forbes Magazine: Best Small Market for Business (9th Place in 2008)
Outside Magazine: Top 20 Best Towns in America
Reader’s Digest: Top Ten Places in the Country to Raise a Family
CNNMoney.com: Top 20 Best Places to Live and Launch a Small Business (2008)
CNNMoney.com: #2 Best Place to Retire Young
Kiplinger’s Personal Finance: #2 Healthiest Place to Live in America
Men’s Journal: #3 Healthiest Small City to Live in America
E-Podunk.com: #1 Best Small College Town
Golf Digest: Best Retirement City for Golfers
Tennis Magazine: #1 Best Tennis Town
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VT’03, thank you. At least half of the school populations come from the same places- family feud, anyone? And for the record, C’ville is a great area. Rivalry is fine but people really need to calm down and just let it be fun.
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“Tennis Magazine: #1 Best Tennis Town”
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BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Hahahahahahaha! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!
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I think one of the biggest differences in this rivalry is that the Hokies fans stick to football but the Hoos fans resort to personal attacks. Of course everyone is going to jump on my case and tell me that it’s because the Hokies have the better team so the Hoos don’t have any ammunition. But just hear me out. Hoos fans want to say they’re the classier bunch because they wear suits and dresses and Hokies fans wear their school colors (and yes, there are maroon and orange striped overalls available), but calling all the Hokies pig farmers and too stupid to get into UVA and thugs isn’t classy, it’s childish. Yelling out of the window of your Hummer and a Civic and saying, “this is what you drive when you graduate from UVA, that’s what you drive when you graduate from Tech!” is just plain silly (and environmentally irresponsible). I attended all four Hoos-Hokies games while I was a student and I must say, when Hokies fans insult Hoos tailgating practices or abysmal on-field performance, it’s funny (and, let’s be honest, accurate). When Hoos fans, however, tap on the shoulder of the visiting Hokies fan in front of them at the game to inform them that they “wish Cho had killed all you g**d*** Hokies,” a line has been crossed that should never, ever be even within the realm of possibility of being crossed. I was that Hokie and I happened to be attending the game with my best friend in the world (a UVA student) and I nearly left it in tears (I instead stayed at the game, still in tears, to yell and scream even louder for my Hokies). I always thought of this rivalry as a sibling rivalry, it’s competitive and vicious but at the end of the day, we love each other. Perhaps I was wrong?
P.S. Thanks for this, Dan. I would love to see you guys become a great football atmosphere and program…it would make this whole rivalry thing a lot more fun.
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I see that UVA is ranked #8 for NCAA Division I best overall athletics programs. Where’s VT?
2008-09 Learfield Sports Directors’ Cup
Final Point Standings
1. Stanford 1455.00
2. North Carolina 1184.25
3. Florida 1172.75
4. Southern California 1137.75
5. Michigan 1131.80
6. Texas 1105.50
7. California 1072.00
8. Virginia 1059.00
9. LSU 1029.00
10. Ohio State 1015.80
11. Washington 1010.25
12. Arizona State 1001.75
13. Texas A&M 976.00
14. Minnesota 975.75
15. Florida State 945.00
16. UCLA 909.25
17. Duke 891.80
18. Georgia 866.50
19. Penn State 813.10
20. Illinois 808.75
21. Notre Dame 775.13
22. Oregon 757.25
23. Tennessee 746.25
24. Arizona 738.50
25. Arkansas 730.00
26. Auburn 720.00
27. Michigan State 708.05
28. Maryland 668.80
29. Oklahoma 656.50
30. Alabama 650.60
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UVA ’02, that #8 ranking is what the real world refers to as a “moral victory.”
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point proven VTBuc… football is the only sport that exists in the minds of the hokie birds.
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my bad…Charlottesville is tennis, I’ll give you that one.
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Basketball also exists and UVA is horrible in that as well. Nobody, and I emphasize nobody, cares about your polo, lacrosse, or interpretive dance teams.
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Groh don’t Goh!
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This article patronizes every angle of the college football experience. First of all, there is way too much band-geekery plaguing this aborted fetus of an article, but also, the perspective is skewed in a variety of angles that make this article a smarmy retrospective on something I have no interest in.
Firstly, VT has no pig farms. They also have a fairly stand-up engineering program. Football is most important there, because it dominates everything, but VT also roots just as hard for all its sports, such as basketball and soccer. While they are not particularly unique or creative fans, they do certainly care a lot.
This article has the pageantry of a miss America competition, and really lacks sporting factual analysis, and it makes me deeply sad to see this is the best CavDaily could offer me to read in the 10 minutes I take each day to read about the University I hope to transfer to next semester.
As far as UVA, it pains me to say it, but fans at the game are like the walking dead, acting nonplussed at all moments, avoiding enthusiasm except for when it is absolutely needed. No wonder the stadium hype song is “Zombie Nation”.
But I have to agree, UVA is more than hospitable, with an environment unique compared to all other college football locales. I rather enjoy the pre and post game experience. We just need to pick it up DURING the game.
As far as the comment that UVA has less criminal players than VT, check the fulmer cup, a compiled ranking of college football programs and how they have broken the law. Last year UVA was near the top. At least most VT players only do illegal activities on the field (vick excluded of course).
However,UVA is highly cyclical, and I will continue to root for the better all around school that I bleed for once Al Groh gets the boot (hopefully in the next week). I feel like if UVA can hire such a solid basketball coach as Bennett (or even Leitao before him) they can get a good replacement for Groh.
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okay, can we all just agree that UVA 2008 is a jackass and move on?
Dan, nice article. Our football program currently blows, and the majority of our student fans are softies who leave games early. Let’s recognize the problem, work to correct it, and move on.
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Amy- VT 09. Let me say that I speak for all true UVA fans, and that comment was below the belt and does not represent our university. Unfortunately, there are insensitive idiots everywhere. Our apologies. Peace
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No doubt VA Tech has better sports programs that UVA right now and has/probably will for quite a while. Most UVA students may have better SAT scores and grades coming into college, but once out of school Tech still has a higher average starting salary and a higher average mid career salary. So, maybe you went to TJ’s school-but them farmboys down the road make ya’ll look like damn fools. Trust me-I work with a bunch of cocky UVA grads who took 2 or 3 times to pass their engineering license exam-every hokie i work with out of 6 of us passed the first time. So drop all the talk about how much better your school is-because its really not when you look at the facts.
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Smarticus, we love you!
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A WVU grad and UVA grad were walking along a country road one evening when they came upon a sheep caught in a fence.WVU grad exclaims this will only take a moment,drops his pants and has his way with the sheep.UVA grad says holy shit that was wild and ask if he can have a turn,sure go ahead and give it a try says the WVU grad with a nod of approval.UVA grad drops his pants and sticks his head thru the fence.Have a good one:)
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I’ve been in Blacksburg in years when things were down & they boeed their team off the fields and at Scott Stadium many times when the roars were deafening. It all goes in cycles & it will also. Also remember that FB is the only sport that VPI has a winning record vs UVA
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wow! Get a grip and grow up. Being a mom of a UVA grad and one now at Tech I can respectively say that both are awesome schools. I am going down this weekend for the Tech/Miami game…and I will have a blast! But ask my daughter how I “jumped the wall” in Scott Stadium when UVA beat VT! (You should have seen the look on the cops face..and yes my knee hurt for a couple days). I couldn’t be happier and prouder to have my family feud garden flag out front for all to see.
Both schools have a lot to offer…there are pros and cons to both. But as parents ( and our bank accounts) how lucky to have such top-ranked public schools to choose from.
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Both UVa and VT are great schools, although UVa students do bring themselves down in the eyes of others with your hateful comments on here stemming from an honest article about a GAME, but also in their behavior at games, the W&M pep band was met with almost nothing but boos (except from their marching band).
The article was honest, and some of you would rather show hate for each other, mostly because you’re anonymous on-line. Comments from the Hokies seem much more level headed.
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Hokies do love their uncivilized conVicks. More important to them than ethics.
And, VPI’s soccer program is not doing so well now that they don’t have those 25-year old one semester Germans playing.
They are delusional, but they will NEVER win an MNC in football. In fact, they’ll probably never win a championship in any sport. 127 years and counting. LOL!
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We have a soccer team? Learn something new every day…
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It’s true, accept it. Tech has 10 times better fan base than ours. I was also at the VT Nebraska game (as a fan of college football, not particularly rooting for one or the other.) and that place was deafening from start to finish, I can’t ever recall a time Scott Stadium was that loud throughout a whole game. (MAYBE fsu ’06) I love UVA sports to no end and will continue to support them even if they go 0-12, but I’m damn sick and tired of losing to Tech and constantly having to hear about the lack of a fan base we have. When our approach to the game as a whole changes, we win simply put.
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I think Navy has better academics than UVA as a whole and their football team can still win. They even commit knowing the CANT go to the NFL for at least 4 years due to military service. UVA has no excuse for “not getting as good of recruits because it’s such a great academic institute.
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Thanks for the kind words regarding our game day experience. I thought you did a great job of being unbiased. Its hard to take off the orange and blue glasses, I know because I have tough time with my O&M ones. I go to many VT games and I thought your experience was accurate, that’s why I’m surprised to see all the venom coming your way. I’ve been to UVA for a couple of VT games and while the experience was very different from the VT one, it was always good. Everyone for the most part was hospitable and the campus one of the best I’ve ever seen. Anyway, thanks for the story its nice to hear an outsiders opinion.
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Hokie123 very good point. The requirements to get into the military academies for atheletes or normal students are much more tough. They need recommendations from senators and representatives, high SAT and GPA scores, a clean background, and a tough military physcial. Seems a bit more then writing a essay or two why I want to go the great university of virginia.
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Scott Stadium is a nice place to catch up with friends. Sometimes football happens. I remember I went there in 2007 to watch VT practice. I was confused when UVA players showed up on the field, too. Chris Long was even there! I was under the impression that Tech uses the last week to prepare for its bowl game. Bowl. Game. That is, I believe this has been the tradition for last couple of years. This year’s practice? I think Tech breaks 50 points and UVA destroys a cheese sampler.
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The rivalry lives in my parents’ house, my older brother is a Wahoo and I am a Hokie — no other sibling to break the tie. For the same reasons our in-state, in-house, rivalry is strong and bitter it is also very respectful. We are both Virginians, we root for each other’s schools, and display both schools’ logos. I can’t help but laugh at some of the generalizations about each school — VT pig farmers and UVA wine-sippers. I once had a UVA fan call me a coal miner? What is being taught at that school anyway?
As a Virginian, I am not proud of some of the comments made on this message board, and I hope that it isn’t read by many people outside of our state. But I do take satisfaction in the fact that the posts so far confirm a key argument I’ve made to my brother about his fellow UVA fans. It’s all right there, all you have to do is take the time to read it. I also take satisfaction that if my brother were reading these messages then he especially would be cringing and embarrassed.
With that, thank you Dan for this enlightening article. I’m pleased you enjoyed the Nebraska game. And thank you readers, especially, for the wealth of telling comments.
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This is the most horrible thing I’ve ever read in the Cav Daily. What would Jefferson think of this travesty?! I can’t even articulate a full response. The University is shamed by the work of Dan Stalcup. Shamed.
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If there is anyone that is looking for a legitimate UVa student-run sports newspaper, look no further than
http://www.wahoowire.com
One of my buddies is in it, and they do a good job of reporting about what people care about..such as NOT virginia tech in a positive light. Check it out.
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C’mon folks. Take off the blue-orange / maroon-orange glasses and see this what it truly is.
UVA is a great school, but so is VT. If i didn’t do engineering i would’ve liked to have gone to UVA for a liberal arts degree (W&M is good too…but UVA seems to have a better atmosphere).
Regarding Football: its a no-contest. VT not only dominates on the field, but football is part of our everyday life. So tailgates / being hospitable is only natural.
That beign said, UVA dominates us in pretty much all other fields (you can argue academics too…although it has been mentioned that VT has a better eng., architecture, and I think business and psychology program too). This goes with sports too (yes, stupid ones like lacrosse, but basketball and soccer too).
Both are good schools. Just be glad we’re not UMd of WVu(sic).
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Having unfortunately had to spend my first year of college at VPI I can say without a doubt that Lane Stadium is not the least bit impressive. Neither are the fans or students. That was the worst year of my life and deciding to transfer was the best decision I ever made.
VPI is garbage, plain and simple. The town is a sad little hole, the campus is trash and smells like manure, and the student body is comprised of the pathetically average students who each and every year graduate from Northern Virginia’s high schools and don’t get accepted to UVA. VPI is a blight on Virginia’s landscape and would be better served as a landfill.
Dan Stalcup showed that he hasn’t managed to wash off the Hokie grime in both his awkward and poor writing style and willingness to swill cheap beer with white trash in Southwest Virginia.
What do UVA and VPI students have in common?
They both got accepted to VPI.
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Nice try, j,
Since you transfered only after you were in VT, I’m assuming you were as pathetically average as us and graduated from NoVas high schools?
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It’s one thing to be a loyal fan, but it is quite another to be a pathetic excuse for a human being. You, “hokie hater” are the latter.
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I at least had half a brain in my head to recognize a bad situation and get the hell out.
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It’s really sad to see Hokies desperately flailing around for any possible way to justify their inferior school.
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I would just like to point out that I graduated from the #1 Architecture school in the nation. It certainly wasn’t UVA.
Also on the ‘redneck’ issue. Both schools are comprised of mostly NOVA kids.
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I think it took alot of class and healthy perspective to write this article – you are only as strong as your competition – thanks for giving the Hoos some insight into the life of a Hokie – it ain’t all that bad is it??? thanks! Hokies LOVE your article!!!!
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last time I checked, VT only had better architecture (which isnt #1 ranked) engineering (although we offer different types of engineering, so its not quite comparable) and civil war history (which is legit).
That said, there is no reason to be personal. I like VT people, I will welcome you to my tailgate at UVA, and I apologize for any negative experiences you have had here at Scott Stadium.
I honestly think the reason the article raised so much negative sentiment is the unabashed slathering of affection Stalcup offers in lieu of real commentary or insight of the rivalry or what makes the experience of a VT football game different. Besides making me yawn the article fills me with the awkwardness that watching your sister hook up with your best friend can only provide. Its a lovey-dovey cocktail of cutesy word-vomit that I think makes me angry to see that someone who should have pride in their school needlessly insults their chosen alma-mater. Perhaps if he offered even a legitimate comparison that was accepted as truth people in this message thread wouldnt have to lash out and bash each other with their own manufactured (and misguided) perspectives.
Here is my verdict, and if you don’t like it, you aren’t American.
Both are good schools, they both are in relatively small locations, and one should choose either school based on the education they want (business-UVA, engin eer-VT, etc)
If you really care about your SAT so much, you shoulda gone Ivy league.
VT has much higher operating income for their sports, mostly due to football.
cheese and wine is a good way to get psyched.
VT has awesome turkey legs.
college students are petty and antagonistic.
this article blows, this thread is fun.
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In 1987 I threw away my application to UVA because the douchebaggery was already evident in the application questions — that’s no exaggeration.
There are tons of great people at UVA of course. There are also too many douchebags. Seriously. Some of you people are just unrepentant assholes. You know it, and the people around you know it.
There is no doubt that each school has some great points. Cville is a cool town. UVA has a gorgeous campus, the academics are great, etc.. Tech football is a great ride, Blacksburg has its own great appeal, and Tech has some top rated academics as well.
But the bottom line, and there’s really no denying this, is that UVA has just too many assholes. It only takes a few. Why does UVA have a douchebag reputation? Because UVA has too many douchebags.
But, of course, most people at UVA are perfectly great folks to have a beer with.
Can’t we all just get along? (Except for the assholes — you folks can take a hike. You know who you are.)
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As a female undergrad at UVA I attended the UVA-VT game at Lane Stadium a few years ago (’06 I believe). I was cursed at, had bottles thrown at me in the parking lot, and shoved down a flight of stairs to name a few. The following year my VT host came to Charlottesville to see the game. She was welcomed by friends and strangers a like. While VT fans may win the game and they may consider UVA students to be douchebags, assholes, or the like…I think UVA students behave very well and I think few Tech fans would say they were treated badly in our stadium. To tell the truth, I’d rather see my classmate be an asshole than shove a girl down the bleachers.
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As many other Hokie fans have said in their posts, it’s nice to hear the honest perspective from an outsider who attempted to be unbiased. Thank you, Dan, for taking the time to truly see what it is like to be a Hokie. Besides a couple comments, I am also proud to read the ongoing Hokies Respect that occurs here on this page.
To all you Wahoos, I am not going to insult you because I really do not see the point when your bitterness and snobbiness proves everything and also because I have only been to your school to compete (yes, I AM a varsity student athlete here at VT). I would also like to point out that I got over a 2200 on my SATs and had a solid 4.0 in high school (which includes 11 AP classes, 10 of which I got a 5 on). Please keep your “inferior Tech student athlete” comments for someone else.
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childstalker-
1. Your screenname is scary. I’ll look for you on “To Catch a Predator.”
2. Check your facts before opening your trap. VT’s Architecture program IS ranked #1, tied with Columbia.
While Charlottesville may be a better town for families, we’re talking about the college students’ quality of life! Exciting football and great people are a huge part of that. VT has both, UVA has neither. VT wins.
In my four years there, I only met 2 Agriculture majors, and never saw a pig nor a whole farm of them. The only insults you all can come up with are flat out lies and you want to talk about class? Clothes don’t make you classy.
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Dave- Your use of “asshole” and “douchebag” in a public forum as a (by my calculation based on your claim of a 1987 college application)40 year old, clearly speaks to your classy demeanor and mastery of rhetoric and vocabulary.
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Let’s keep this conversation about football. I think the cycle is over. If these things are cyclical then VT should not be that good. But I digress. Seven 10-win seasons in the past nine years. UVA will most likely never beat VT in football again. And what I mean by that is UVA may get one win in the next 20 years. Maybe. UVA follows this cycle: kinda good, sucks, sucks, kinda good, sucks, sucks, sucks, dear god fire Al, sucks.
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and here I thought Robert Henson was from TCU. Silly me.
“What i can’t figure out is how they have internet access in the middle of the day, didn’t realize mcdonald’s was letting employees use computers on the job now”
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Hokies, you can have your football. We’ll still be the ones signing your paychecks.
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I’ll sign your paycheck.
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UVA fans do not get why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
Silly UVA fans, ACC championships are for Hokies.
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Some of these responses are downright hilarious. Did I seriously just read someone say that if they were a college football player, they would go where they could get a better education instead of a better program? Are you kidding me? You’d choose to go, for the sake of this example, UVA, one of the perennial ACC doormats who hasn’t had a big win since beating Florida State in the 1990′s instead of one of the most winning teams in college football, VT, over the last 5 years? Spare me, buddy, and for what it’s worth, VT graduates more of their players than UVA does, and VT’s football graduation rate is among the highest in the country. Like any school, some of VT’s players are idiots, but most aren’t stupid. The whole “thug” accusation is way off base as well, and as already shown, UVA players aren’t any more classy. Your QB Lailich was kicked off the team last year for dealing drugs, wasn’t he?
It’s amazing the stereotypical insults that some of you Wahoo’s still cling to. We all know UVA is the better business, law, etc. school. No one cares. The “hillbilly” and “farm school” insults are about as fresh as “your mom” jokes. It’s not funny at all, you uncreative tools. “5 out of 5 dentists prefer Tech students” t-shirts? Hilarious! Oh, and by hilarious, I mean the dumbest attempt at a smack-talk t-shirt I’ve ever seen. Nice try, UVA.
I’ve been to several UVA football games over the years, and they are such a joke! Half the people there either don’t care about what’s happening in the game or aren’t really paying attention. Most of the girls are all decked out in sundresses instead of wearing school colors like any half decent, non-Ivy League wannabee student would, and they spend the game chatting away on cell phones or with the people around them. Guys wearing ties to games is just as stupid. It’s no wonder UVA football teams are always so soft and weak- it comes from them being in an atmosphere that celebrates creampuffery! You might have school spirit, but there’s a difference between that and actually showing it for your sports teams, which is something you DON’T do. You actually celebrate first downs with an emphatic cheer “that’s another cavalier FIRST DOWN!!!” as if it’s some kind of big accomplishment. First downs are expected on real D-1 football teams.
Get over yourselves. Why anyone wants to go to school filled with preppy-wannabee a**holes who are extremely judgmental towards everyone around them is beyond me. The entire “better than you” atmosphere UVA breeds is unbelievable. It’s also why every other school in Virginia hates you (VT, JMU, etc.). The only people who like UVA are people who go to UVA, and that’s not an exaggeration. No one I’ve ever met has an outspoken problem with JMU, VT, etc., but they almost always have negative things to say about UVA. It’s a shame to some extent because I know many cool people who go to UVA and I hate to see them get lumped in with the half of the school that gives it it’s bad reputation, but unfortunately, I know just as many pricks who go there as well. I actually turned down UVA to go to VT because of all this. People there are generally speaking so much more down to earth and are just plain nicer. Same with JMU.
Enjoy another year of having no good sports teams that people actually care about, losers. I hope the extra couple grand in starting salary was worth the sub par sporting experience. One more thing, directed at the person who thinks UVA fans behave better towards outsiders than VT fans do- wrong. My friend was pushed down the bleachers in the UVA-VT game 2 years ago at UVA because someone didn’t like the fact that VT students were in the UVA student section. Classy. You can find drunk a**holes anywhere if you look. Your school is no different.
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The “we’ll make more money than you!!!” insults are also worthless. We know that, and we don’t care. Money isn’t everything, except to snobs like you who go to UVA. The extra few grand I sacrificed to go to a school that isn’t full of jacka**ses was well “spent.”
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UVa is the new Duke. Great academically and horrible at the game of football. This entire article is about a football experience, not academics. Only UVa affiliates would have the audacity to make this forum into something it was never intended to be. Congratulations, guys.
By the way, pink pants are not, nor will they ever be, fashionable.
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Wow, all this makes me glad I went to JMU. Tolerance, people… Tolerance.
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Dan,
I find it most bizarre that someone would transfer from Virginia Tech to Virginia. It should be made illegal. I’d personally rather live in Kabul, Afghanistan than in Blacksburg.
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All this bickering over who is the best is silly and sad. Go back 3 years ago to the Virginia Tech tragedy and how EVERYONE came together for Va Tech and how Tech was so so very thankful for all the love and support.. especially from UVA. So what.. we are good at football and celebrate it. I think all things considered from past incidents, there is a reason to celebrate life to the fullest even if its thru a game of football. Life is so short to argue over who will make more money.. or who has better SAT scores.. or who wears what to tail gate.. the world is in shambles and its not going to help by beating each other down..
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The sadder part about this entire thread is VT fans going on the website for a school newspaper of a school they don’t even go to and writing page long diatribes. Look, to be honest, I’m not an in stater at UVA so I’ve never given two shits about about VT because, let’s be honest nobody outside of VA does, but the ridiculous amount of defensiveness and this whole “we don’t care about money, you’re snobs” argument is starting to make me hate you, which I find frustrating because as a “city boy” I know first hand how many laughs you get telling people if you went to Tech.
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Our paper is the one that posted the PRO VA TECH article…. that is sad and shameful.. we have nothing to write about but how our rivals are better than us.. sigh
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I so agree with Hokie Mom…you all have forgotten what is really important here. UVA and Tech have also done a fantastic job raising money for the Jimmy V. Foundation (thanks to FIJI’s at both schools) for cancer research. They run the “game” ball between the two schools overnight in the cold each year to raise $. Teamwork guys….quit the stupid bickering its very pointless. and by the way Troubled..the entire country does care about VT and what happened there..and UVA was first and foremost to lend a hand in a moment of crisis. In support the graffiti in Charlottesville read “HOOS FOR HOKIES”.
I love Football too, but it really is just a game, whether you win or lose, its not what defines these two great schools.
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First of all, the fact that the guy who wrote this article spent Friday night playing board games and watching reruns on TV pretty much sums it up. He’s a geek! They actually had ESPN on a widescreen in the parking lot? Wow, never seen that before!
Fact is, he should have never been allowed to post this article in the UVA student newspaper. Why can’t we get back to the good old days when we could just hate the Hokies because they were a bunch of redneck, sheep lovin’, inbred, moonshine drinkin’, overall wearin’, truck drivin’ yokels from where all dirt roads lead, and they hated us because we were a bunch of snobby, preppy, bowtie wearin’, BMW drivin’,prep school grads with trust funds. It doesn’t really matter whether or not the stereotypes were true; it made it more fun. Virginia should hate VT, and VT should hate Virginia. It’s a rivalry – supposedly. Ask an Auburn fan about Alabama sometime. Then again, leave the SEC out of this – they would be insulted.
I’d be happy to go back to the days when we could always beat VMI and William and Mary, would occasionally beat UNC and Maryland, and would get waxed by Clemson and VT, but could leave at halftime to refill our flasks and could watch pretty girls in sundresses go sliding down the muddy hill in the 4th quarter and the pep band would play the best fight song ever:
“From Rugby Road to Vinegar Hill we’re gonna get drunk tonight,
the faculty’s afraid of us, they know we’re in the right;
so fill up your cups, your Loving cups, as full as full can be,
and as long as love and liquor last, we’ll drink to the U of V.
Oh, I think we need another drink,
I think we need another drink,
I think we need another drink,
For the glory of the UVA!
In the end, the outcome of the game just isn’t that important. But I still hate Tech.
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“The only people who like UVA are people who go to UVA, and that’s not an exaggeration.”
The only people who go to UVA are people who got into UVA. VPI and JMU students don’t fall into that category. Your screen name being “Jealous Much?” is the height of irony. Enjoy your degree from a truck stop.
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I’m glad you brought up April 16, Hokie Mom.
As a long time VT person (alum and current employee), my heart still swells when I even think about UVa’s support and love during that time. At that point, football, SAT scores, what we wear, and how much money we have didn’t matter. We appreciated all the love from around the world, but UVa was a tad bit more special because you’re in our own backyard, we’re rivals, yet you were there when we needed you. I want to say I hope we’d be there for you, but god forbid anything like that ever happen again.
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I am sad and disgusted to be from UVa. What a bunch of crap! This was a nice, harmless football article. Give the guy a break and lighten up. It’s easy to see why we look like snobs! And the new “Duke” – yea, right – only in our dreams!
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get loud, get roudy, even if you suck. the tide is too far in favor of VT for UVA to turn it anytime soon. those solid Va. recruits will never stop flocking to Beamer if Blacksburg is known as electric and C’ville is known as drab.
btw – tech fans dont mind it when you call them farmers.
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UVA 2008 (first post)- I would read the article thoroughly before bashing it. Your correct, Lane doesn’t hold 80,000 people. It holds 60,000; as the author correctly stated.
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Everyone who wrote in here does not know a thing about football. And all you UVA people stop being the snobby rich stuck up people you are. You think since you go to UVA your better than everyone else because its a great school. A degree from Va Tech looks the same and means the same in the real world as a degree from UVA. My father is a UVA grad and former player of UVA football team we have had season tickets for a few years the games are boring because no one gets into the game those are the quitest games ive ever heard and thats because of you UVA people suck at cheering…I’ve been to a few Tech games and they are the most exciting games ever its loud its crazy and they win!! I had a chance to play for UVA that was my only scholarship offer and I said no because i cant play for a school that doesnt support their team…Yall rag on your team so much because they don’t win but I would love to see any of you try to go play for them you wouldn’t last a second with them..they suck?? they might suck but they have had for the past few years 1 player each year who is a top 5 pick in the first round of the draft…quit being nerds and get into sports and support your team they can be good but only if you help them
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HOKIE LOVE, as of yesterday the article said 80,000. He must have changed it today to 60,000. If you get a print version of the paper it originally said 80,000.
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Dan, I appreciate your candor and honesty. Obviously you are very confused about yourself. You really should try to understand who you are.
I went to UVA in the late 80′s, probably the best days of UVA football. We were actually on par with VT football at that time and even came close to evening the all-time series around 1989. I came to UVA as a big UVA basketball fan but left as an even bigger UVA football fan. The stadium was expanded, people started travelling to away games, 7 wins and a lower tier bowl game was standard. Because of what Goerge Welsh, Mr. Harrison, and others did during that era, we now have potential to compete with anybody. But that is all there is now, potential. The past fews years have been painful and your article was like salt in an open wound.
Don’t take this as an insult and after reading your article, I don’t think you will, but in my view, you definitely aren’t a wahoo. You may get a degree from UVA but I wonder what it will mean to you? I feel a little bit sorry for you.
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A few comments to all the holier than thou Hokie posters who love the frustration they see in the Hoo fans’ posts.
I was at the Gator Bowl less than two years ago. This was soon after the tribute, remembrance and moment of silence during our game that year for the awful murders committed at VT. That day, a flag with “VA Pride” was unfurled and we honored Bruce Smith, of all people at Scott Stadium.
For all the sympathy and respect UVA offered Tech fans, my lasting memory is of the plane that flew over the Gator Bowl that read “VT has ACC, UVA has VA Pride”. Many of you have explained that away. But that, in a nutshell, reminds me of how much class VT fans have.
Oh yeah, there were 15 or 20 VT fans at the game that day who made the trip from Miami before the Orange Bowl and they had a great time cheering on Texas Tech.
“Hate” is a scary word and I hate that I feel that way towards everything VT, but it is what it is.
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I hope the rivalry goes back to what it was a few years ago. Back when both teams were about on the same page with how good they were. Yes, you cannot deny VT has a better team right now. But who is to say a year, 2, or 3 from now that they won’t? I have been shouting Groh needs to go for the past couple of years. I am a Tech student and fan, so why shout that? I want to see a great game! AND I want to see the ACC do well overall. I gotta say I don’t “hate” any school, but the rivalry is there for me. It is a tradition, like any other rivalry. Then when you go to family reunions, weddings, etc where you have Tech and UVA fans come together…it makes for a couple good jokes, but you still a good time. I have family members that went both places, and a grandfather who taught at Tech. For the record….the UVA family members still wear bow ties. I love Tech, I love the rivalry we have with UVA, but no school is BETTER than the other. So no need to say you will have better jobs or income, because one day you might regret having said that. There are negative experiences I have had in BOTH stadiums…usually resulting from alcohol some underage student brought in. There are girls in sundresses at Tech too, I don’t know why I think it’s insane because that is clearly not our thing. So to each their own….UVA is good at tennis, lacrosse, etc (country club sports, but still something to be proud of nonetheless)…so I look forward to the day when the UVA-Tech game becomes a nail-biting crazy dynamic game that leaves me on the edge of my seat until it is over…and then everyone goes back to their tailgates and eats wine, cheese, cheap beer, burgers, or whatever they feel like having!!! Lets face it Tech fans…wouldn’t it be more fun to win against UVA like we did with Nebraska rather than Marshall? Of course, that is only my personal opinion.
Overall, this article is a bit interesting to me. If Tech was having a bad football year and a student wrote something similar pertaining to UVA fans….well I would not be happy one bit. I attribute this to the fact that the student is a transfer, but he transferred from Tech so he should know the rivalry. I don’t know, I wouldn’t be happy about it though, but I wouldn’t go name calling either. People are so quick to say SNOBS! or REDNECKS! When in reality you know a friend, family member, or coworker who is from the opposing team and you get along with just fine. There are plenty of Tech fans who make me mad and I have had horrible experiences with, and there are plenty of UVA fans who I have gone to a game with and had a much better time with them.
In the end, stick to the rivalry. I like how the student didn’t bash us and had enough guts to write a high opinion of us in a UVA newspaper. However, tables turned I wouldn’t like a Tech student doing the same. I get where you are coming from UVA fans (when it comes to this article).
Hey, my family members never cease to wear the boat shoes, bow ties, and drink their wine. I love them regardless. I have no personal hate towards UVA, but hey we have a rivalry people!!! Let’s both bring the loud cheers to the game in November, not the name calling and booing. (Have more class than that- I am speaking to both sides).
Good luck with football season UVA (please get rid of Groh already)
Go Hokies!
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I had a nightmare I went to VTech before I even read this article & yes there were pig farms.
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again…. its a sad commentary of our school spirit and pride when we focus our articles on praising our rivals and promoting them over our own school…maybe we should listen up and take a clue…
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Thank you uva student, I agree…lets get back to the good ole rivalry. Nothing hateful, still tasteful, but definitely not praising each other
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as a former tech freshmen/uva transfer and graduate/current tech graduate student, i’ve experienced plenty of what both schools have to offer.
anyone who is really that invested in this ‘rivalry’ idea and who thinks the quality of their football team or the admissions requirements for there school really matters 2 cents in the real world needs to get a life, hokies and wahoos alike.
give me a break.
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*apologies for the typos…johnnie walker at work…
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I am a UVa alumni (double Hoo in fact). Some of you need to calm down. I have worked with Va Tech grads (I have managed them, they have managed me, and we have been peers). They are perfectly fine, smart people. It may be hard to see while you are in school, but, both universities are in the top tier of schools when you consider the total number of colleges and college students in the country. The rankings and other things we argue about don’t really mean much.
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UVa2008,
I have to say that you continually prove the point that many people here are making. The reason this rivalry continues all the time is because you all keep bringing it up! As a Tech grad, I know our fans are more concerned with our next game and supporting our school than trying to come up with new ways to bash UVA. We don’t need to bash you all, it’s not our way. Sure, there are always fans that boo and talk trash but the majority of Hokies I know are not going to waste their time acting like little children calling each other dirty names. The main difference I see is that we defend how good our school is by demonstrating the positives, you all try to defend how good your school is (and yes I know UVA is a great school, my sister went there) by putting other schools down. And yes you can call me a pig farmer or whatever “degrading” name you want, but just to prove your point that we are not all red-necks with low SAT scores, as a student from northern Virginia, my roommate and I both got accepted to UVA…..and said no thanks. We decided to go to VT because it was where we both felt more welcome and at home, a place where we could get a great education and be proud of our school spirit.
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i am also an alumnus of both schools, and after reading several of these comments from both sides, there is one clear point being overlooked.
there are people at both schools that label stereotypes at the other schools. for every wahoo that bashes tech students for wearing overalls and ‘pig farming’ there is a hokie who bashes uva students as mimosa sipping snobs. anyone who doesn’t think so is biased. simply by generalizing that all uva students are snobs and ‘put down other schools to make themselves feel better’ is a insult, because it’s not true, just like when a select few of uva students make generalizations about tech’s ‘inferior’ academics. clearly students at each school will always care for their school and town. most students will probably always have friends or family at the opposing school. i personally think it’s time for both to put down this ‘holier than thou’ attitude.
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I atended the University during the late 1970′s. We won six games during the four years I was there – VMI twice, Lehigh, Wake Forest, Army, and somebody else I can’t remember. Our best player was a punter – Russ Henderson.
Later I worked in the Athletic Department. I have been there when football and basketball were ranked number one. I have also knwon ost of the sportstwriters in the state for the last 30 years plaus.
So i have some perspective about the Hoos and about good sportswriting. So let me state that two things are true.
1) Al groh has driven this program back to the days of Sonny Randle. he is inept and arrogant.
2) The only thing worse than Al Groh’s coaching is Dan Stalcup’s writing. I hop I never see anotherpiece of drivel like that in the CD again. Shame on him.
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Ok Hoo fans, why are you being ignorant. As a proud graduate of 2008, I have seen extreme ups and downs in out football program. There is no doubt about it that a majority of UVA fans, including the student body, are fair weather fans. I’ve been there for games where everyone stayed to the very last second and rushed the field as we did when we beat Florida State a few years ago. I’ve also been at games where the stadium was nearly empty before HALFTIME! The student sections, both the lower level and upper level used to be full. If you arrived at the game a little late you were relegated to the very top row of the stadium. Now you can get there halfway through the first quarter and probably still find a seat in the lower level of the student section. Now the students don’t even stand up for the whole game. I personally sit in the upper deck of the student section and look down to where the I once stood for the entirety of the game to see fans sitting. Personally I don’t care if we lose every game this season, but I’ll be there cheering for every positive yardage, touchdown, or decent punt for that matter. I’ll also be at whatever bowl games we make it too in the future along the the 10,000 other true fans who make the trip and sit in the empty stadiums because we still don’t know how to travel. Maybe one day we will pack the stadium and create an absolute tremendous atmosphere where opponents fear walking into Scott Stadium due to the intense noise and die hard fans, but until that day comes you should re-read the article and take a look at yourselves. Wahoowa!
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Dan…you need to get your facts straight in your list of “Offenses” by UVa athletes…I stopped taking you seriously when I read your statement of Antoine Womack and three other students gang up on a student. He touched her butt–either on purpose or accidently–this does not constitute ganging-up. Also, the majority of these “offenses” occurred after the athletes left UVa and were integrated into the general population where influences by Hokies obviously swayed them.
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Wow, what a thread. A couple of thoughts. (1) I’d hate to see how Hokie fans would behave if they had a series of losing seasons, and (2) I’d hate to see UVA fans would treat their Hokie bretheren after winning a national championship. Fact is, UVA is not a football school and it is hard to imagine how it would be without losing a great deal of what makes the school great. And UVA is a great school. During the Welsh years we had an above average program that made for a lot of exciting games and heart aches. But our aspirations in this area should be on the order of Stanford’s, not VPI’s. Yes, that is because we an academic institution first and foremost. We like the fact that people from Princeton at least know who we are. We like the fact that our institution has a history and aspirations to be the best in the liberal arts, law, and business. We are a school of leaders, not fans. So everyone chill.
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Dan Stalcup should resign immediately and take his Hokie (expletive) back down to the black hole known as Bleaksburg. You are a disgrace to the Cav Daily publication. Ive been at games here with just as much energy as Lame Stadium could ever have (UVA/VT ’05 just to name one). Bandwagon fans like you should never be allowed to label yourselves as Virginia sports fans when we eventually return from the depths of college football/basketball. A part of being a fan is sticking with your team through the highs and lows. You giving up and dressing in Hokie garb just so you can “pretend” to be part of an overrated ACC football atmosphere is pathetic, and put you on the lowest rung of fanhood: a sellout.
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Sorry, meant “03 UVA/VT with Schaub at the helm. ’05 was an awful, awful game as VT took us to the woodshed in our own house. My apologies Dan…but you should still give up the writing gig.
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http://www.wahoowire.com/2009/09/25/betrayal-at-its-worst/
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RIDICULOUS. He is entitled to his own opinion and the bitterness shared in this ‘comment battle’ just shows how pathetic the ‘WAHOO’ Nation really is.I don’t think that the Cav daily has lack of sports knowledge, what I believe is that if you have NOTHING to report on, because your so called athletic program is dull, boring and talent-less… then your knowledge is some what limiting. Academically, you may have Va Tech beat to a degree. UVa is a phenominal school. But you make it seem as though Va Tech produces complete morons! Just because VT happens to have a very successful athletic program doesn’t take away from the fact that they are an extremely succesful academic universtiy as well. It’s really, really sad that just because you have NOTHING to fight for that you have to bash Va Tech just to make yourself feel better. At least Va Tech represents Virginia in sports. UVa embarasses us. And before someone flies off the handle about the ‘Thugs’ Va Tech produces etc. GET OVER IT. Every SUCCESSFUL program has the ‘Thugs’. It’s the name of the game. FIND A NEW ARGUMENT. It’s old and totally outdated.
**and I am sure I will be critized for the grammatical errors and what not, but i do not care
I wanted to type fast and move on
and to answer your questions… NO I did not graduate from Va Tech. I am a 1998 graduate of UVa to be honest
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Hey jenny…as a’98 grad, i thought you would have more sense. Apparently, you think VT is the superior athletic program and is all things Virginia sports: you said, “your so called athletic program is dull, boring and talent-less”. If you would take the time to do a bit of research, you would see that Virginia Polytechnic Institute has 0 National championships in ANY sport. Zero. Nada. I understand football is numero uno and i agree that the hokie-bashing on academic merit is pointless. But come on, Jenny, as a UVA alum I expect more.
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WaHOOtie…I remember that ’03 VT/UVA game (unfortunately). It was the game where the HOO fan spat in my face while telling me to go back to the trailer park, all while his “classy” arm-candy gal pal, in her drunken stupor, tripped over the bleachers in her 6-inch “hooker” boots and burned me with her cigarette. I was graced by his superior saliva because I, alone, was cheering louder than the Hoo fans surrounding me in the student section…for my losing team. Seems to me Hoo fans don’t even cheer for their team when they’re actually winning. Did I mention “spitter” was proudly wearing his camo UVA hat? I think it completed the bowtie-with-bama-bangs look.
Football and turkey legs…that’s what VT does (on Saturdays in the fall and typically after New Year’s).
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UVA 2007…VT does have a national championship.
http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/tournaments/news/story?id=3072091
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Football: Let’s get real, there isn’t anything to argue about. UVA can win all the swim meets and tennis matches they want.
Academics: We both have our strengths. I really don’t want to see another UVA fan touch on the subject of who supposedly makes more money… give me a break. Thanks for illustrating where your priorities lie, however. That tells us a lot about you.
Other: There are plenty of cool people and douchebags at both schools. I will say, though, that the UVA fans’ comments on here show everyone why you have the reputation of being complete snobs. Although I respect your school for its academics and other intangibles, my level of dislike for UVA fans in general continues to grow. My suggestion would be to get your priorities in order, focus on becoming real sports fans if you are going to continue this conversation, and learn from your peers instead of choosing to criticize them- YOU ARE NOT THE BEST AT EVERYTHING (believe it or not).
Despite my frustrations above, I would like to express our sincere appreciation for your support of VT after 4/16.
I also think that the writer of this article is a confused individual- it is obvious where his true passions lie (haha).
By the way, “Enter Sandman” was our idea… try to be a little more creative.
GO HOKIES
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Vegas hoo…my point exactly..NCAA. NCAA. NCAA= 0 cahmpionships
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66,233 seating capacity, to be exact.
All the idiots have to do is open their mouths, don’t they?
Keep up the good work and please keep AL!!!
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Unbelievable. I’m shocked at reading the UVA comments. It is embarrassing for the state of Virginia. The over-inflated cavalier egos will never change.
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Many of the comments are truly disappointing and disrespectful. “Smells like a pig farm” “Enjoy your degree from a truck farm.” Is that really appropriate? Is that the attitude you will carry forth into your career? Keep in mind that intelligence and education will never compensate for a lack of graciousness and good manners.
I had the pleasure of meeting Tiki Barber at a business function several years ago and after a few minutes of playful sparring about football, we talked about the wonderful education system in the Commonwealth of Virginia and the positive aspects of the two universities (Tiki’s mother is a VT alum.) One of the things that he highlighted about VT is the great love that Hokies have for their team and the great atmosphere. His comments didn’t diminish the UVA program. He was a true gentleman and I thoroughly enjoyed my interaction with him. Quite frankly, I think many of these comments would embarrass him.
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Tech Alum, try kicking a wounded animal while it is down and see how it reacts. Many of these comments from Hoos are inappropriate and embarrassing. The entire article painted VT in a positive light, yet here come all the Hokies, as usual, to weigh in on it.
Can any of you Hokies really understand why this type of article aggravates the Hell out of any true Hoo???!!!
If not, maybe there is some truth to the stereotypes afterall.
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Wow – some UVA alum are unbelievable – the strong dislike is hard to believe. I never really thought that there were people who actually bought into the UVA/VT snob thing – I always thought it was a tongue-in-cheek joke – but I’ve been enlightened.
Good luck and best wishes to the UVA sports fans who are reasonable and educated. Keep rooting for your team – fortunes will change.
(Luuk Ma – I done rote a fansy fangled email without not no speling errs – VT dun taught me gud.)
GO HOKIES!
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DEDICATED to DAN:
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HERE IS THE VT RAP SHEET…………… Are you ready?? It’s lengthy. Reply
ESPN’s PTI host Tony Kornheiser states: “VT has long been known as an outlaw program. They’ve had more arrests than almost any other program and are known to recruit anyone.”
Credit Saltshake1964 for initially posting this “impressive” list.
Hokie Heroes – a brief review.
Jimmy Kibble – while serving as an assistant coach at Osbourn Park High (his alma mater) he was investigated after allegedly having sexually explicit internet conversations with minors. It was subsequently found that the 3-time All-Big East punter had also been having sex with two 16-year-old girls at the school. He later pled guilty to four counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
Derrius Monroe – originally suspended “indefinitely” after he was indicted on cocaine distribution charges. As part of a plea bargain, the charges were dropped and Monroe was placed on two years’ probation in exchange for testimony against the distribution ring’s alleged leader, Hokie football player Manny Clemente. Monroe was then reinstated to the team…
Manny Clemente- was charged with being the trafficker who brought the cocaine into Blacksburg from New York.
Marcus Vick- You guys know the story here. The younger brother of Atlanta Falcons star Michael Vick was convicted in May on three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor after he and two teammates gave alcohol to 14- and 15-year-old girls at their apartment and took pictures of them stripping. On the plus side, Vick was actually acquitted of a charge of having sex with one of the underage gals. It looked like he might just have to sit out a few games until his arrest on charges of reckless driving and marijuana possession after cops pulled him over doing 86 mph. Vick conveniently sat out a season when he was slated as the backup, but returned to the team in time for spring practice so that he could assume the starting QB role.
Mike Imoh- Gave vodka to 14 and 15 year old girls. Got them undressed, took pictures while the girls lap-danced. Convicted on three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Also sentenced to jail time and fined. Sat out three games to start last year then returned to starter’s role in time for WVU game.
Brandon Pace- Maybe not dangerous, but certainly criminally dumb. His activities landed him on a few Web sites, including badjocks.com, where he led the site’s “Who did something stupid today?” section. A link was posted to an online photo album, which took viewers to webshots.com, a site that allows users to post their digital pictures in a slideshow format for their friends to view. Pace posted several pictures, many of them showing him consuming alcohol. Walk-on Jesse Allen, Tech’s backup fullback, is also seen drinking in some of the pictures.
Frank Beamer is aware of the photos and has talked to Pace. Said Beamer, “I think it’s a privacy issue between his family, Brandon and this football team. That’s about all I’ve got to say about it”
DJ Walton- Walton played on special teams in 2002 before he was convicted for driving under the influence twice and dismissed from the team. Walton returned to school in January 2004 with a renewed enthusiasm and focused on changing his behavior, according to a story written April 24, 2004, in the Potomac News. Beamer allowed DJ to return to the football team in ‘04, when he played in two games, making eight tackles.
The 22-year-old defensive back was again dismissed from the team his senior season after being charged with four counts of robbery, four counts of possession of a firearm in the commission of a felony, four counts of abduction and one count of possessing marijuana in connection with an armed robbery in Prince William County.
Todd Nolen- Virginia Tech WR recruit was arrested on one count of felony maiming and one week later he was arrested and charged with felony attempted robbery. The arrests stem from Nolan’s alleged attempt to rob a fellow high school student of seven baggies of marijuana. Nolen was cited for punching the student and fracturing his jaw, while another choked him and attacked him with a knife. Nolen suffered a cut to the face during the incident. Nolen is still listed as a VT recruit. Currently at prep school, VT officials refuse to comment on his status with their program.
Charles Steger- “The best thing for everyone is for the ACC to remain at nine teams and for the Big East to remain as it is. I think there needs to be a moral approach to this whole thing. I don’t think people can be out there just wrecking a conference. . . . At some point, you’ve got to have a moral concern about what you’re doing.”
Jim Weaver- “Absolutely, the Big East is the best place for us. This is where we want to be.”
Jim Druckenmiller- charged once with malicious wounding while at Tech. Later returned to campus and was accused of rape by a tech coed. Druck was acquitted, largely because the victims blood alcohol level was estimated at 0.30 (very near fatal levels) when the alleged incident took place and she was understandably fuzzy on the details.
Antonio Banks – Charged with Assault and Battery in December of ’95.
Tony Morrison- Charged with petty larceny, destruction of property, public intoxication, and possession of fake driver’s license … all AFTER he had been suspended from VT for 2 semesters for “unspecified behaviors” and then allowed to re-enroll and rejoin the football team, just in time for the season opener.
Following these charges, Morrison was suspended for the Sugar Bowl, but was seen in the stands during the game.
“He’s a very good person and comes from a great family,” Frank Beamer said. “Like some young people, he made a mistake and he understands every day he needs to do things to make his life successful.”
“I’m hoping he’ll be back in the program. I’ve talked to him about what I expect, and that’s between he and I.”
Morrison and reserve receiver James Crawford – who was also suspended after being arrested in a separate incident (see below) – were remembered by teammates in New Orleans thanks to defensive end Cornell Brown. Brown wore the two players’ jersey numbers taped over the “VT” logo on his helmet in practice.
James Crawford- Defraud of a garage, leaving scene of accident, convicted of disorderly conduct. Suspended for Sugar Bowl and later linked again with Antonio Morrison’s exploits (below)
After the season ‘95 ended, a VT coed came forward with a claim that she had been raped and sodomized by Antonio Morrison and James Crawford in ‘94, that she had reported it to university authorities, and that they had tried to protect the players.
Christy Brzonkala was allegedly raped after she and her friend Hope Handley came to Morrison’s suite in Cochrane athletic dormitory, which was on the same hall as Handley’s suite. Wagner said Morrison raped Brzonkala after Handley and Crawford left the room. Crawford re-entered the room and raped Brzonkala while Morrison held her down, Wagner said. There may have been another football player in the room or just outside of the room during the alleged assault. Handley never returned.
Brzonkala, a six-foot-one varsity softball player and former fashion model, did not bring federal charges against the defendants until she had exhausted other measures. Brzonkala had overdosed on prescription drugs and alcohol in October 1994 after suffering from depression and exhibiting signs of post-traumatic stress disorder.
In the spring of 1995, Brzonkala brought charges against Morrison and Crawford before a confidential university disciplinary committee.
Crawford was found not guilty after All-American Hokie football player Cornell Brown said he was with Crawford in another room at the time of the alleged rape. Two committees suspended Morrison for a year after finding him guilty of sexual assault.
In June 1995, Tech Dean of Students Katherine Goree upheld Morrison’s motion for an appeal. He was subsequently allowed to re-enroll in time for the football season.
After college proceedings failed to punish Morrison and Crawford, Christy Brzonkala filed suit under the Violence Against Women Act. The case reached the Supreme Court as United States v. Morrison. Brzonkala also sued Virginia Tech for allegedly protecting the football players and attempting to dissuade her from pursuing her case. Virginia Tech eventually settled for $75,000 a relatively small sum that did not in itself seriously affect the university financially; however, the case damaged Virginia Tech’s reputation and raised a firestorm of controversy over Virginia Tech’s handling of sexual crimes.
Cornell Brown- Cornell Brown was found guilty of misdemeanor assault for his part in the Blacksburg Brawl. Like those found guilty before him, Cornell was sentenced to 30 days in jail, with all but two suspended. (that means if he behaves himself on the first day, they let him go, with time off for good behavior).
When Brown was charged and suspended one game (vs. ECU) for his role in The Brawl. Later that season, Cornell showed up for the Orange Bowl bid press conference dressed in a ski mask with no mouth hole, which was his way of letting the press know that his famous silence towards the media would continue.
Once he arrived at the Orange Bowl, he taped over the VT logo on his helmet with the numbers of suspended players, just as he had done at the Sugar Bowl the year before. And during a halftime ceremony at a Tech basketball game in which the 1996 Big East Champion Hokies were honored, Cornell stayed in the stands and did not go down on the basketball court.
Tyron Edmond – was the first Tech football player to be convicted in the Blacksburg Brawl trials (nine Football players were accused of assaulting a track athlete and his friend) Edmond was convicted of assault and battery and was given 30 days in jail, with all but two suspended. No further discipline was issued from the university or team.
Sean Sullivan- TE , another player in the “Blacksburg Brawl. Sullivan was found guilty on one of two assault charges (not guilty of assaulting Tech track athlete Hilliard Sumner, but guilty of assaulting Sumner’s friend Jonathon Nelson
Nat Williams- DT charged with assault in connection with The Brawl.
Michael Hawkes- charged with assault in connection with The Brawl.
Angelo Harrison- Harrison was charged with felony malicious wounding for his role in the Blacksburg Brawl, he was accused of beating track athlete Hilliard Sumner with a cane, breaking Sumner’s collar bone in the process.
Brian Edmonds- pled no-contest to a charge of disorderly conduct in connection with the Blacksburg Brawl. Brian plea-bargained the charge down to disorderly conduct from its original assault and battery.
Edmonds also was accused, along with James Crawford (remember him?), of raping a female student in their apartment in 1996. Both were indicted on rape and attempted sodomy charges. Each conceded that the prosecution had enough evidence to convict them of attempted aggravated sexual battery, but did not admit guilt. Each received a one-year suspended sentence.
Kenny Harrell- hokie hoopster kicked out of school for firing a gun on campus.
Michael Vick- APRIL 5, 2005–Claiming that Michael Vick gave her herpes, a Georgia woman is suing the star NFL quarterback for negligence and battery. According to the below lawsuit, Sonya Elliot, a 26-year-old health care worker, was infected with the sexually transmitted disease in April 2003 after an unprotected encounter with Vick at the athlete’s Duluth, Georgia home. Elliott alleges that after testing positive for Herpes Simplex 2, she confronted the Atlanta Falcons star, 24, about her condition. “I’ve got something to tell you. I’ve got it,” Vick admitted to her, according to Elliott’s State Court complaint, which alleges that Vick then told her that “he had not known how to tell her about his condition, and that it was not something that he liked to talk about.” Elliott’s complaint also contends that Vick “apologized profusely” for not telling her he was infected with the STD. Elliot’s lawsuit alleges that Vick has used the name “Ron Mexico” and, in a related court filing, her lawyers are seeking Vick’s admission that he used the “Mexico” alias–and perhaps other fake names–”for the purpose of herpes testing and/or treatment.” In her lawsuit, which does not specify monetary damages, Elliott states that she met Vick at a Virginia Beach nightclub in May 2001 and, shortly thereafter, began a close personal relationship with the football star (though the couple did not have sex until late-2002). Last December, Vick, the top overall pick in the 2001 National Football League draft, signed a ten-year, $130 million contract with the Falcons, the richest deal in league history. (17 pages)
Theodore Miller- arrested in connection with a gun-brandishing incident that occurred on Virginia Tech’s campus this year. Miller is accused of being the passenger who pointed a pellet gun at a Virginia Tech student from the window of Brandon Flowers’ SUV, and Miller has been charged with brandishing a firearm, a misdemeanor.
Brandon Flowers- see Theo Miller.
Rolan Roberts- suspended from Virginia Tech for a year by the university’s Judicial Review Board. The charges he was “convicted” of by the board are assault and sexual misconduct. Arising from the same incident, fellow basketball player Dennis Mims (more below) was convicted of assault.
Roberts was suspended from Tech for the 2000-2001 academic school year, while Mims was placed on “deferred suspension,” which still left him eligible to attend school and play basketball. The two players were convicted as a result of a charge by a female Tech student, who says the two players raped her.
Dennis Mims- Mims was later suspended indefinitely…. TWICE (attaboy Dennis!) …once for “violating a team rule on class attendance”…. And again Tech forward after an episode during practice in which Mims “blew up” at Coach Ricky Stokes…or possibly for a locker room incident after a game vs. Dayton. (???)
Brad Baylor- DT charged with felony abduction in a case involving a UVa student who claimed that Baylor held him captive and forced him to drink alcohol to unconsciousness.
Pedro Edison- TE, was charged by the Blacksburg police with three misdemeanors, including resisting arrest, breaking the windshield in a private vehicle near his apartment, and shattering a window in a police car. The incident started with a call to the Blacksburg police, who responded to University Terrace just before midnight when a caller said a man had used his foot to shatter a car windshield. Witnesses identified Edison, whom police said had to be subdued with pepper spray. Edison was placed in the back seat of a marked police car. Within minutes, police say he kicked out a back window.
Earlier in the year, Edison had pled guilty to a misdemeanor reckless driving charge resulting from a vehicular accident in Augusta County in 1996. Edison was driving friends home from a party when he wrecked his car, resulting in the death of one of the passengers. Edison passed a breathalyzer test at the scene and was not charged with driving while intoxicated. He had simply been driving too fast, admitting to police that he traveled 55 miles per hour in a 25 mph zone. Facing a felony involuntary manslaughter charge, Edison plea-bargained the charge to reckless driving. Edison is scheduled to serve a jail sentence at the conclusion of the academic semester for that offense.
Corey Moore- DE, Lombardi winner – Corey Moore of the Buffalo Bills was charged with aggravated assault after a fight in which he hit a man with a beer bottle. A few weeks after his arrest, Moore was shot in the leg by an unidentified man. Moore told authorities a man walked up to his vehicle as he waited for a red light to change and shot through an open window. It was not clear if the fight and shooting are related.
Andre Kendrick- Kendrick was suspended but was later reinstated to the team Hokie football team. Later charged with marijuana possession.
Marcus Parker- convicted of shoplifting from a Blacksburg grocery store. Suspended for four games to start the season, he was called back into duty when starting RB Brian Edmonds was left in Blacksburg as the team traveled to a game with Nebraska. Edmonds had been suspended for his arrest on rape and attempted sodomy charges.
Parker finished his college career a hokie and was drafted by the Bengals.
George DelRicco- George Del Ricco was having a party at his Terrace View apartment to celebrate his free-agent signing when the third-floor balcony of Del Ricco’s apartment, which was loaded with approximately 20 people and a keg full of beer in a trash can full of ice, collapsed onto the balcony below. Unfortunately, the party was also going on at the second floor level as well, with people on that balcony, too. Both balconies then collapsed and fell to the ground.
Three people were hospitalized.
Jesus Rodriguez- charged with grand larceny and three counts of misdemeanor petit larceny after stealing at least $3,000 in jewelry and other items from six fellow Virginia Tech students. The victims include Tech basketball player Shawn Browne, who had a $2,000 necklace stolen from his locker, Jesus’ next door neighbors (hundreds of dollars in bracelets and necklaces), and the inhabitants of two dorm rooms in Cochran Hall (a watch and $475 in compact discs).
Walter Ford – in ‘97 was convicted in a shoplifting scheme in which he “purchased” nearly $200 worth of stuff from the Tech bookstore for 22 cents. Ford committed this crime shortly after the Blacksburg Brawl story broke, and shortly after Frank Beamer had said, “The next player who screws up is history.”
Frank Beamer dismissed Walter Ford and stated that he would not be reinstated to the team.
The cashier who “sold” him the merchandise was convicted in the case, and in Ford’s original trial in December, he pled innocent but was found guilty. Ford alleged that other football team members had shoplifted as well.
Ford was dismissed from the team in October, and reinstated by Coach Beamer for spring practice “on a conditional basis.”
He missed the Hokie Spring game though, as the game date inconveniently conflicted with his jail term. He rejoined the team after being released.
Gator Bowl ref: Hokies ‘brutal’ in first half
Jan. 4, 2006
Daily Press, Newport News, Va.
NEWPORT NEWS, Va. — Virginia Tech players were out of control during the first half of the Gator Bowl, and Hokies quarterback Marcus Vick should have been ejected for stomping on a prone Louisville defender, the game’s referee said Wednesday.
Steve Usecheck, a Big 12 Conference official who led the crew for Monday’s game, called Tech’s first-half taunting and late hits the worst he’s seen in his 22 seasons. He said that no official saw Vick stomp the back of Elvis Dumervil’s leg while Dumervil was down on the turf late in the second quarter.
“We missed that, and I’m sorry we did,” Usecheck told the Newport News Daily Press from his Colorado home. “The TV, everybody saw it but us. I wish we had the opportunity to talk to (Vick) because that was complete (expletive). You bet I would have thrown his ass out.”
Usecheck said he has not seen a replay of the Vick incident but that purposely stomping a defenseless opponent warrants ejection. NBC showed the incident several times during its Gator Bowl telecast, and the footage has aired countless times since on ESPN and other networks. Tech athletic director Jim Weaver has called Vick’s action “unacceptable” and vowed to punish him.
Officials called five personal fouls against the Hokies during the first half — four that cost Tech yardage and one that was offset by a Louisville personal foul.
“I was really disappointed,” Usecheck said. “We don’t see football like that (in the Big 12). Those kids were just completely out of control. Louisville wasn’t as bad. Virginia Tech was brutal.”
Usecheck ejected Hokies All-America cornerback Jimmy Williams in the first quarter for swinging his arm at head linesman Al Green. Williams was jawing with Louisville’s Amobi Okoye, and Green grabbed Williams to separate the two.
“He never hit the official but he swung at him twice,” Usecheck said of Williams, a senior from Bethel High.
During the standard meeting of team captains prior to the second half, Usecheck said he told the players, “I don’t care if I’m out here until midnight calling penalties. This has got to stop.”
The second half was incident-free aside from offsetting personal fouls early in the fourth quarter, and the Hokies rallied to win 35-24.
Tech coach Frank Beamer was traveling Wednesday and could not be reached. But immediately following the game, Beamer said: “I’m not happy with some things that went on in the first half. Let’s leave it at that.”
Weaver said it would be inappropriate for him to comment on the Hokies’ overall behavior because he viewed the game from the press-box level and not the field.
“That’s more an issue for Frank,” Weaver said of Usecheck’s remarks.
But Weaver reaffirmed his promised to discipline Vick, first-team All-ACC this season as a junior.
“We’ve got to deal with it in a fair and firm manner, but you just can’t go off half-cocked,” Weaver said. “We’ll get it done, I’ll guarantee it.”
Having Vick away from campus on semester break and Beamer on the road recruiting slows the process, according to Weaver, who estimated he’s received 200 e-mails about the Vick incident.
“It’s a discouraging time because we should be happy and celebratory of an 11-2 season and a great comeback in the fourth quarter,” Weaver said. “People are concerned and think it was inappropriate behavior. They’re embarrassed and we’re embarrassed.”
Also Wednesday, Governor-elect Tim Kaine expressed disappointment in Vick’s actions.
“I thought it was kind of heart sickening when I saw the replay,” Kaine said in response to a question. “I didn’t see it live. (Athletes are) role models, whether they embrace that or not. It just really sends a bad signal. My 13-year-old son is a Tech fanatic, and he’s watching that game and it takes something off the experience for him when he sees that. It really does.”
Kaine said he would not advise Virginia Tech administrators about how to respond.
“I’m not going to tell the university what step they should take,” he said. “I can tell from the comments in the paper that they take it seriously, and they need to.”
Vick serving a 23 month sentence in Leavenworth KS for dogfighting crimes.
Chris Ellis, convicted of Disorderly Conduct in September of 2006. Suspended one game.
Josh Hyman, October 2006 DUI. Charged with credit card fraud June 2007.
AD Vassallo and Chris Tucker shoplifted a 12 pack of Dr. Pepper at Stop-In Food Store in Christiansburg on December 18, 2007. They reached a plea agreement and were put on probation for the misdemeanor charge.
League suspends Jimmy Williams for a year
Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2009 1:59 PM
Free-agent cornerback Jimmy Williams has been suspended for a full year. The suspension apparently arises from his latest violation of the league’s substance-abuse policy, according to Howard Balzer of the Sports Xchange.
Williams also was suspended five games in 2008.
One of various Virginia Tech players whom the Falcons likely wish they’d never acquired, Wiliams was a second-round pick of the Falcons in 2006.
He was charged with marijuana possession in June 2007. The incident came to light just as the Mike Vick dogfighting case resulted in a felony indictment.
Despite the charges, Williams remained with the Falcons through the 2007 season, appearing in 14 games and starting two that year. He was cut in June 2008, and he spent last season out of football.
The 49ers signed Williams in January 2009, but they cut the cord in May.
Under league rules, Williams can serve the suspension without being on a team. So if he stays clean and qualifies for reinstatement, he would be able to play again in 2010. However, given that no one wanted him before the one-year suspension, it’s likely no one will want him after it.
News and Views: Williams just another busted Hokie
11:23 am July 16, 2009, by Jeff Schultz
Here’s Jimmy Williams when he wasn’t on drugs, as far as we know.
Welcome back for another edition of News and Views. Today, we asked the question: Who will be the next Falcons’ scout to dare step foot in Blacksburg, Va.?
♦ News: Colossal draft bust Jimmy Williams is suspended for a year by the NFL for using some kind of drug.
♦ Why should you care: Because Williams now resides in Falcons’ lore as one of their great day-one draft disasters, along with (you might want to cover your eyes for this): Aundray Bruce, Marcus Cotton, Steve Broussard, Mike Pritchard, Bruce Pickens, Tony Smith, Devin Bush, Nathan Davis, Michael Booker, Reggie Kelly, Bryan Scott … OK, that’s all I can do without falling over. But there is good news. The Falcons will never draft another Hokie! (we can only hope)
♦ Views: It’s scary to think about it, but at one time in 2006 the Falcons had five Virginia Tech players on their roster: Williams, Michael Vick, cornerback DeAngelo Hall, guard Matt Lehr and quarterback Bryan Randall. As it turns out, Randall — who’s now playing in the Canadian Football League — might go through his career with the least amount of baggage. Williams was the “Flounder” of the secondary: fat, lazy and stupid. He was released by a bad Falcons team, then signed and released by a bad 49ers team. To think: The Falcons (who had traded their 2006 first round pick) actually were thrilled to get Williams with the fifth pick of the second round. Rich McKay and Jim Mora gushed about him. They should have known better. Williams was a projected top-15 pick until his stock plummeted at the combine after bad workouts. The other VaTech alums to pass through Flowery Branch: Vick (from franchise savior to disaster); Hall (overpaid, overrated, selfish, lazy, Jim Mora’s best friend); Lehr (played for five teams in eight seasons, was suspended for steroids when he was a Falcon and last year was linked to a federal steroid investigation in Texas; Randall (just loving life as a Winnipeg Blue Bomber). Thomas Dimitroff can go a long way toward ensuring his longevity if he never looks at another Hokie
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I’m glad you enjoyed your Blacksburg experience. Also, thanks for the shout out. If you watch any of our games you’ll see Hokie Leonidas, Mecha-Hokie, Hokie-Trooper, and many other animated fans. We pride ourselves on keeping an exciting game day environment throughout the year.
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These arrest lists are moot. I’m sure you could find a similar list for any school in the country. Every school has bad eggs.
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To UVA2008,
all they have to get? almost every single one of our engineering schools (except chem engineering last time i checked) is nationally ranked higher than yours, our architecture department is ranked higher than yours, and that makes up for almost 50% of the school… we don’t have pig farms (wtf is a pig farm anyway, you don’t farm pigs asshole). Yes we live in a rural area, and yes there are farms, but believe it or not you typically FARM on farms, not grow pigs. Corn smells alot like nothing while its growing…
also apparently wahoos turn on their own kind when they say something good about the best acc football team in a newspaper? so damn glad i didn’t roll out to the world of backstabing pricks.
sure some wahoos are nice people, i’ll try not to judge based on the trash that responded to this board
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hey i thought the list of criminals wasnt suppose to include out of college experiences…. or is that only for uva players? its funny to watch the old man fall off the horse at scott stadium hahahah, wait, was it the half asian cavalier? i think uva should start playing local high schools, i mean albemarle and monticello need warm up games.
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Wow, from a VT student, I hope the ‘Hoos know that this article has been circling the VT campus on facebook and everything. Well written, I almost feel like I take our football tradition for granted. I’m cheering for UVA football to gain some respect and win some games – our rivalry isn’t much of one anymore.
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Great job, Dan (bum)! I’m proud that you decided to be rational and actually give it a chance rather than simply falling prey to peer pressure and attacking the Hokies for no good reason. You did a great job of immersing yourself yet still not losing your own school spirit
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Sorry UVa fans… I go to Tech, and I can promise you nobody considers you our rival. Our rivals are Miami and Boston College, you know, the teams who can actually compete with us. I’ve gone to every single Tech home game in my 4 years here, except the UVa games, and I see no reason to, as you guys can barely even put up a fight against us. UVa football is a joke. Seriously, you lost to William and Mary. Just give up football and stick to lacrosse.
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UVA is just inferior to VaTech and they hate that fact, but their noses are pointed to high in the sky to admit it
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At the 2005 UVA / Tech game. In the UVA student section had a kid yell at me claiming: “You might be killing us, but my SAT’s are higher.” At a football game… SAT scores are irrelevant. UVA fans = garbage
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I didn’t know UVA still had a football team. (I didn’t know William and Mary had a football team either) Also, this article has very little to do with the players. This article is about the fan-following, not the criminal status of the players. Congratulations on responding to an objective article with insults. Quit with the “our school is better than yours” crap. (both Tech and UVA) It’s quite irrelevant. This article is in the sports section, not the academics section. Good luck in the rest of your season. I welcome you to come to Lane Stadium so you can experience a real football game. If you do come, I’ll be hospitable and keep some Zima in my cooler for ya.
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Dan,
I really appreciated your article, and checked your facebook and think you’re attractive as well. I also see that you are friends with the Hokie Bird. Sexy.
Around Blacksburg, they specialize primarily in dairy and sheep farming, not pigs. Although, pigs are much cleaner than those species, I hear. I know you have many hot female VT fans now, but I would really like to date you. Sexually or otherwise.
I’ve recently visited Charlottesville, and the homosexual (I’m not being facetious, they actually were gay) crowd did not give a hoot or holler about VT. This is because the majority didn’t like football. Go Gays!
And Hokies!
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John Welch
You just gave Tech a bad name. This conversation is for men to talk about football, not fairies to pick up other fags. Go float somewhere else because VT doesn’t want you.
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..not to imply that Dan is gay. I assume, based on the article that Dan is probably actually a decent guy, since he can appreciate Tech’s loyalty to our football team, despite going to UVa.
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While I do not necessarily approve of Senor Stalcup’s actions in posing as a Hokie, I’m glad that at least one Wahoo can see the truth about ACC football.
Classy behaviors such as wearing khakis, suits, bow ties, and sun dresses should be reserved for summer soirees and beachy weddings – they are infinitely out of place at any football arena… Much as Dan pointed out! At what NFL stadiums is this genre of apparel condoned? None that I’ve been to…
I would like to congratulate you, however, on your continuous domination of the oft forgotten Commonwealth Challenge – your women’s lacrosse team, tennis teams, swimming and diving, and chess are superb and no Hokie fan can dispute that. Sadly, you can say little when it comes to the money sports, which are all most people care about. Look at it this way though, you’ll be able to put more time towards studying for your finals this semester because you won’t have to worry about what bowl game you’ll be attending!
I couldn’t end this without saying something about your season thus far though..
Great job against William & Mary – adding Eastern Mennonite or Christopher Newport to your schedule for next year?
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I would like to let everyone know that I did not write that post. Thanks Chelsea.
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Seriously? It is just football. I was just at a VTech game this past weekend and I go to UVA. It was fun. I went to a UVA football game a couple weekends ago. It was fun. Are we really this upset about football???
Both schools are bomb at different things…
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All that I am saying is that is not about how smart students are at Virginia or Virginia Tech. I have friends that attend both schools, all of which are very intelligent human beings. The article is about the atmosphere, and yeah when Tech beat Nebraska, it was blown coverage, but isn’t Tyrod noticing this making him a good football player. Here’s the thing yeah Virginia Tech has dominated the series as of late, but isn’t that why they play the game. To see who is the better team on that given Saturday. I don’t doubt that UVA has great football players, its the nature of the game that sometimes teams put it together. So to rip another student for just observing and getting caught up in the moment, is exactly the reason people have a bad outlook on the University of Virginia because of the fact that they look down on other people because they aren’t at that University.
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J- You sound pretty bitter about Blacksburg. I’m sure the Virginia Tech community is much better without you there.
Great article by the way. I hope you enjoyed your experience at Virginia Tech and visit Blacksburg again soon. As a Hokie living in Charlottesville, it’s nice to see someone from UVA actually write something respectful about the Hokies. Usually, I hear pompous comments about how Hokies are rednecks, pig farmers, or second class citizens compared to Wahoos. Ironically, my “second class” degrees (Bachelors and Masters) from Virginia Tech landed me a job at UVA.
I think the difference between the Hokie fan base and Wahoo fan base is that the Wahoos are fair-weather fans. When they’re winning, everyone’s supportive, but when they’re losing, watch out! My best friend, a UVA Alum, sadly calls this “Hoo on Hoo Violence.”
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The uva fans were just hit with reality, now there having a tough time grasping and can only look for ways to put VT down… Once again you pretty much have shown your a$$. uva will always be the bottom feeder of ACC Football.
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For all you fools who keep insisting that the Nebraska game was a fluke, and that Tech is overrated every year. Well, did any of you hoos catch the Miami vs. Tech game? Yeah…Shut up. Oh and even if we weren’t winning games, we’d still spank you come our rivalry game. End of story, oh and I wonder what’s it like to lose to W&M?
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Sorry UVA, looks like we’ve passed you in our average graduate salaries as well if we’re going to play those moral victory cards, bummer. Looks like those SAT scores aren’t getting put to good use.
http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp
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WOM WOM WOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM
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I think you guys should focus on beating us. We’re an in-state team that’s more on your level.
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Well, it’s funny to see so much talk over this article, and maybe it will get you guys fired up for your next game, instead of getting beaten by Div.-II opponents. Sorry, had to throw that out there. Anyway, in response to the first response…that’s why he said 60,000 and not 80,000. In response to the article. I was very impressed with the hospitality and open-mindedness of both sides. I hope that this will help open some eyes in Charlottesville, as we like to see you do good against everyone but us too, ya know? (Makes us look better when we beat you
) Thanks guys, and god job on the article.
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Wahoo’s.. You may have your bowties and your sundresses, but you surely lack class.
“Well away fans always talk about how classy the wahoos are! VT is a bunch of classless rednecks!”
http://www.hokiesports.com/football/recaps/20090924aab.html
All of us “farmers” down here at our “pig smelling” school at least have a little bit of class. Not to mention we’re not stuck up each other and Bro’in out all the dang time.
Pull the stick of your ass, loosin’ up your bowtie, turn on ESPN and watch some Beamerball. College isn’t about sundresses and wine, it’s about the experience. Football games being one of the bigger ones..Our education? Just as damn good as yours. Yeah, if I was an English Major then I probably would go to UVa..But I’m not. We’re a Polytechnic Institute FOR A REASON and we’re damn good at it.
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Oh and please look at this, AGAIN.
http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp
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To me, this seemed like a challenge to UVa fans to suck it up through the rough times and stand behind your team. You might be rewarded just like VT was for cheering and yelling the entire game against Nebraska. Your team plays on that field and probably works harder than most of the people (Hokies, Wahoos, and everyone else) commenting on this article. There are times the physical fatigue leads to mental fatigue. That’s where LOYAL FANS come in. If I’m a player on that field and we’re down 5 points with a minute left and I hear boos from my own crowd, my mindset on trying to pull out a victory is a lot different than if I hear cheers from motivated and loyal fans. Hearing the fans yelling and cheering and not giving up at that point would make me WANT to win. I’d dig deeper to find the WILL to win.
Instead of accepting the challenge and pulling together behind your team, I see people reverting to “my school is better than yours in OTHER things that this article has nothing to do with.” Let’s at least keep everything relevant. Honestly, we could all go on for years about which school is “better,” but it’s all relative to what you think “better” is. That’s awesome that UVa has a better business or law program. That’s great VT has a better architectural or engineering program. Honestly, I care about the football team more because I don’t do or intend to do any of those programs.
To keep things relative to the article, I will say this: I am a Hokie. I take pride that Lane Stadium is constantly rated by non-Hokies and non-Wahoos as one of the most intimidating stadiums to play in even when our capacity isn’t anywhere close to the 100,000+ seats that many other colleges offer. It’s not our numbers, but like the author said, it’s our “tenacious optimism.” Every time the opposing team is going to punt or kick a field goal, every true Hokie in the stand feels that it’s going to be blocked. Every time the opposing team’s qb drops back, every true Hokie feels a sack or interception coming. Every time Tyrod Taylor has the ball in his hands, every true Hokie feels like he’s about to break the game open. That happens whether we’re up or down with less than 2 minutes left.
Maybe if more (I say more because I’m sure not all UVa fans boo their team in rough times) UVa football fans supported their team through the rough times, their football team might want to fight harder in those rough times.
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If UVa is supposedly better than VT… than why do so many Cavs have such an inferiority complex when it comes to Tech? I can promise you, I have never heard one person even mention UVa in my 4+ years at Tech…we don’t care about anything you do up in Charlottesville. Nobody at Tech considers you a rival. You are just another school to us. We know you are better than us in Liberal Arts and non-money making sports…. but Tech is better in the Sciences, and in sports that, you know, actually make it on ESPN.
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The key difference between our schools then, is that Hokies do not walk around all day thinking about reasons we are better than someone else. Maybe you Wahoos could use a lesson in humility and take the stick out of your ass. Until you are the best in the country at everything, there will always be someone who can say they are better than you… so just give it up, because its a waste of time.
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“What would Jefferson think about this travesty!?”
Hahahahahaha. You all are pathetic.
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Honestly, I think our questions are being answered as we sit here and look at all of these posts. The type of people that Virginia Tech produces are those hard working, ambitious kids that if you take a shot at them (like some of the degrading jokes from UVa fans on here) they will do everything they can to prove you wrong. There seems to be a resiliency amongst the tech crowd you don’t see from UVa where it seems a lot of Hoos expect everything to just be handed to them because they went to UVa or had good SAT scores. Just my opinion and I might be biased but thats the vibe I get every time I hear or read the elitist comments towards Virginia Tech.
Great article, I enjoyed reading it and am glad we have a program and fan base people look up to. UVa fans shouldn’t be mad because you’re just trying to find a model to revamp your own program and find out how you as fans could help your team find success.
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If you want to experience a real football game, you should make the trip to Happy Valley for a Penn State Game.
P.S.
Virgina Football Sucks
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a real football game? you mean getting raped by an unranked opponent in your own stadium during a night game?
I’ll stick to winning
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I completely agree with Travis (posted Sep 23, 2009, 16:12). The postings from the UVa fans/students are rude and disrespectful to the author. He’s simply trying to help the school and figure out why UVa can’t win a game to save their life. Maybe you should take some notes instead of putting him down.
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just to throw it out there… since there were comments about SEC football. i went to VT for undergrad followed by UGA for grad. i can tell you first hand that Lane stadium puts Sanford to shame – even though there about 30k more fans “in” the stadium. quoted “in” because much like uva fans, they like to leave before the game is over – also look at me like im on crack when making noise while the opposing team is in their huddle. oh, and VT has pig farms… i’ve been there. i like the agriculture side of things… also, i like how people are so careful to use proper punctuation in these posts – as if we didn’t, it reflects poorly on the respective schools!
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UVA and VT are both great schools. So many people at UVa think that people only go to Tech if they don’t get in to UVa. So many people I know here at Tech had above 4.0s in high school (myself included) and nearly-perfect SAT scores. People really make VT a first choice! Both schools are wonderful academic schools. And honestly, if Blacksburg was known for “pig-farming,” I don’t think we would have so many international students, and students from all over the country.
Blacksburg is a better environment for football, simply stated. No offense to UVa, that’s just how it is. We tailgate, we celebrate, we cheer, we bleed Maroon and Orange. We’re hospitable and welcoming, and I feel the magic in the atmosphere every time I’m in Lane.
Wahoos, do not insult your writer for this article. It was opinionated, and an experiment. As a communication major, I have to commend him for immersing himself in the experience.
UVa students, please open up and be more tolerant. There’s really no need to be so insulting
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I HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL TECH UVA GAMES OVER THE YEARS BOTH IN THE BURG AND SHITLOTTESVILLE AND OVER ALL I HAVE TO SAY THAT NOT ONLY ARE THE TEAM MEMBERS A BUNCH OF WUSSIES BUT THE MALE FANS ARE WEAK TWO-FACED BETTER-THANS WHO LOOK DOWN UPON ANYONE THAT WALKS BY THEM NOT WEARING A LABEL. I HAVE HAD A FEW FRATBOYS SAY OFF COLOR REMARKS TO ME OR MY COMPANION AND WHEN CALLED ON THE COMMENTS MOST FEIGNED DENIAL AND THE FEW THAT STEPPED UP QUICKLY GOT KNOCKED DOWN (KNOCKED OUT ON TWO OCCASIONS).
POINT BEING, IF IT WERE NOT FOR TECH YOU FUTURE PUSSY DOCTORS WOULDNT HAVE YOUR BUILDINGS (KNOWN TO US PIG FARMING ARCITECTS AS HOSPITALS) TO TREAT THE SHIT TALKING WIMPY ASS FRATBOYS THAT DONT KNOW THAT COUNTRY BOYS HIT HARD IN. SEE YA IN A FEW WEEKS YA JERK OFFS!
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Ignore all these haters that have nothing better to do than insult someone who had the courage to view a rivalry from the other side. I hope they can look back on their immature comments in a few years and realize how utterly stupid they are. VT/ UVA isn’t even a legit rivalry anymore and it has nothing on the old VPI/ VMI rivalry. I want to thank you for writing one of the few articles I’ve ever read in a college newspaper that isn’t complete bullshit. These so called UVA fans arent real fans at all. They’re just pissed because something attached to their all to high and mighty identities has been (rightly) called out.
Ut Prosim
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To the person who brought up UVA being the first to come to our side in the 4/16 tragedy. Here is a fact for everyone, on that day a UVA student was also the first to create a facebook group saying “This wouldn’t happen in Charlottesville” hiding behind an electronic mask. Not a day after the tragedy, not a week, month, or year later but the very day of. I will never forget seeing that group sitting in the dorm while outside my window not hours before there were police and SWAT officers with rifles pointed up and down my building securing the campus.
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The idiot who said victor harris was a dirty player…you’re a dumbass.
Tech fans are and always will be better and bigger; not to mention much more friendly even to opposing fans. You guys cuss and throw stuff at us when we go to UVA. for the only reason, that you guys are terrible at sports and instead of being hospitable, you become idiots.
Also, we didnt win that game because of a ‘bad defensive call’. We wont that game because our quarterback made it happen and our recievers are smart. When UVA wins a game, or beats Virginia Tech, then start cussing and talking. I have no problem talking football normally, but when a bunch of idiots from UVA on this post just start making excuses of why ‘tech needs to lose’, why dont you make comments about how ‘UVA needs to win’. Or is that not an option
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This got linked to me on Facebook, and wow…. these comments are the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time.
To all you UVA kids who think you’re better than us, our top ranked architecture and engineering schools beg to differ. I visited the UVA engineering school when I was looking for colleges and didn’t even bother applying (and yes, I could have easily gotten in – 1500 on the old SATs and a 4.0).
On the subject of football, no one down here really cares about you guys anymore. You’re firing Groh and a good 5 seasons after that to even being on a level where you could compete with us again, that makes it a pretty boring “rivalry”. Yeah, I’ll show up to the game this year, but only because it’ll be a fun trip to take with my parents (my mom graduated from UVA), not because I’m expecting anything close to a contest.
And yeah, you guys wear suits to football games. It’s a fun tradition. If you actually think it makes you classy and better than us, then I feel really bad for you.
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haha PSU4LIFE must be living in a dream world… either that or he is living in 1956 when Big 10 football actually mattered. Not that the ACC is very good, but the Big 10 is a joke.
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I’m sorry, what on earth is/was dirty about Victor Harris? As a Hokie who’s been to multiple games at Scott Stadium, I can honestly say I’ve never had a ‘terrible’ experience at a Tech/UVA game. That being said, there are obviously two very different cultures at Tech and UVA, which it would seem will never mesh. When it comes to football though, these days, you guys are completely lost.
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I have a free website where I travel around the state of Virginia each week and scout college football or basketball prospects that UVa or Virginia Tech may eventually recruit!
http://www.nkscouting.com
Thanks!
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Nice article. I would like to point out that we rushed the field at the end of the game, because it was an amazing finish–we couldn’t help but get overzealous. It was reminiscent of our win against WVA in 1999 that I was in attendance for. Anyway, as a staunch VT graduate, I attended the VT v. Alabama game and witnessed all of the Alabama students/alumni in their suits and ties and cocktail dresses. I even heard one fan say to another fan in passing, “you need to tuck your shirt in.” I couldn’t believe he was being serious. It was like I was surrounded by UVA fans; however, Alabama fans actually cheer loudly and don’t give up on their team (VT was winning for much of the game). The difference is that Alabama may be going to the National Championship, and UVA will be lucky to win two games. Bottom line: it clearly doesn’t matter what you wear to the games–it’s about the strength of the football program. VT simply has a better football program than UVA. Lastly, I would like to point out that UVA fans are much nicer than Alabama fans, so you do have one up on them!
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Great Article! You are always welcome to come back to Blacksburg and join us for any game! That happens at every game and I love it! My step-sister goes to UVA so I have respect for UVA but VT will always be the best school in Virginia!
GO HOKIES!!!!
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a throw that “any college quarterback should have made”? UVA 2008, clearly your uninformed writer is better informed than you. My guess is you probably saw that play on Sport Center or one of myriad other sports highlight shows. 90% of college quarterbacks wouldn’t have been upright long enough to make the throw. Tech was lucky to win, but that was a major play!
Tech grad
UVA grad student
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I’m a junior at Virginia Tech and I’d just like you to know that this article has increased my respect for students at UVA. Understanding our Hokie spirit and not trashing us, calling us rednecks, or saying we are less educated than you is very appreciated. And furthermore, going as far as to say UVA fans could learn a little from us regarding football spirit is a significant and noteworthy statement. I sincerely thank you for this article.
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Just by reading these comments alone you can really get a feel for the attitude from each school. Hokie respect vs. UVA stuck up ignorance (from some). I have no idea why some of you feel that you are superior because of the school you go to. I personally got into UVA and chose VT for the engineering program. I think the rankings speak for themselves. I’m not trying to really reiterate what everyones already said before me, but some of the UVA students comments are very disrespectful to the author. Is that how you treat all of your peers that think differently from you? hmm…
As far as football goes, theres no real competition and you know it too.
(that kid above me obviously trying to make a vt epically failed)
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Wow, all this hate between two schools over football. It almost makes me glad UMW doesn’t have football! We’re the level-headed peaceful ones.
It’s also kind of sickening that students from very well respected schools can throw such immature and ridiculous comments at each other. Pig farmers? Bow-ties and chardonnay? Come on, seriously. It doesn’t make your school look any better when you say those things.
Everyone take a deep breath and try to remember that football is a GAME. It’s not worth getting so worked up about.
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Yep, one of the reasons I love this school is the fact that we don’t have a football team. Reading these comments has reinforced that feeling.
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the richmond times dispatch reported that virginia tech graduates have a higher post-graduate salary than uva graduates.
what about sat scores now?
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Thanks for publishing this article! I’ve only heard stories and stereotypes about UVA games, but I’d like be a hoo for a day and find out about them myself. It would be interesting to say the least …
And our campus doesn’t smell like pigs. It smells like cows. You get used to it.
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Way to take the higher road, UVA people. I’m a neutral observer, and I would side with VT 100% of the time after reading most of your idiotic comments. Props to Cav Daily for being controversial, something that the student population obviously cannot handle.
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T.I. was talking about UVA when he said “you can pay for school but you cant buy class”
GO HOKIES!
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I notice that many of the comments I wanted to make have already been made, so I will refrain.
I extend a kind thank you to the UVA students and alums that have spoken up to disagree with the rude and snobby comments of UVA 2008 and others with similar messages.
I do not appreciate being referred to as: “second class, no brain in their head”, no matter what rivalry exists between our schools.
These kinds of comments are just rude and unclassy… (hm, some might even call them “second class” and “ignorant”.)
Personally I try to treat all others with respect. This is part of our school’s code of Hokie respect and Hokie hospitality.
I’m not brainless, either. It just so happens that I worked hard in school and got into the architecture program here, which was ranked last year as being the #1 undergraduate architecture program in the nation… a title that has also belonged to UVA at some point. Yes, I also grew up in rural Virginia, but I also went to an accredited private school and received the best education available in my area. My parents worked hard to send me there; they saved for my education long before I was born. My dad’s father was a tobacco farmer and so my father worked hard in school and became a pharmacist because he didn’t want to work in a field the rest of his life. He built his own business up from the ground and there is no shame in that.
There is No shame in working for what you earn. I’m sorry, not everyone can have a family with “old money”, living off of an inheritance. That’s not how the majority of people live.
I don’t understand how people can make some of these vicious, snobby comments like I have seen. I am shocked by what I have read.
Virginia Tech and University of Virginia are both great schools. I’m not discounting that fact, and neither should anyone else, regardless of who they root for at a football game. For crying out loud, it’s a Sport.
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but really though there are a lot of nice UVA fans but its just unfortunate for them that there are the same amount of pricks
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word yo VT 2011 is THE man or woman
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This is very scattered because I have a lot of different thoughts on the matter.
As a graduate from Monticello High School, I find this comment from peter to be the most hilarious one on here: “i think uva should start playing local high schools, i mean albemarle and monticello need warm up games.” This paired with a line taken from the facebook page of a fellow monticello graduate, who also happens to be a UVA graduate: ” Yes – I’m fleeing here after my Friday class and hope to evade Labor Day getaway traffic to arrive in advance of the even more intense Albemarle-Monticello showdown.”…this person said that a high school football game was more intense than a UVA one. wow!
Oh and losing to William and Mary?!? Come on, we played them two years ago and won 44-3.
I could go on and on and on about how much I HATE UVA’s students and sports as well as just their school in general. Believe me. But the greater point is that this article is about how LOYAL our fans are.
I went to the VT vs. BAMA game in Atlanta a few weeks ago. I remember walking around through tailgates thinking man these people sure dress like UVA fans. But when we got inside they sure didn’t sound or play like UVA does. The thing that stands out for me the most during that game though is how even towards the end of the game, when we were losing, and it was mostly apparent that we were going to lose, as hard as it was, our fans stayed and we cheered our team on. That’s what true football fans do. THAT’S what being a Hokie is all about.
There was a similar situation during the Nebraska game; we were down with little time left but believe me, Lane still roared when they got the ball. In fact, I have a bruised toe as evidence of how insanely pumped our fans were. The huge throw Tyrod had that set up the win for that, caused so much jumping and screaming in Lane that our bleacher, which was in bad condition from the beginning of the game, broke and I fell. Did I whine about it? No I got up and jumped some more and said wait we didn’t score yet?
One thing that a good friend of mine always says during sporting events is “Ya gotta believe”. He turned to me during the BAMA game and said that after we scored our last touchdown (even though we went on to lose). I know if he had been at the Nebraska game, he would’ve said the same thing. Ya gotta believe in your team and support them 100% as fans or else what’s the point in even showing up?
UVA has fair weather fans. We have all weather fans. Literally. How many UVA fans would have stood in the rain for 4 hours? Twice?
In regards to the fans leaving games early, I can’t fathom it. My friends and I were even asked by Georgia Dome staff to leave after the game because we were lingering too long. And this past week I was asked to leave North end zone by the event staff. My friends and I were celebrating our victory as we always do by dancing to the Marching Virginians music, but because of the rain we weren’t allowed to anymore. NEVER leave early! Win or lose.
Again, I could attack the stereotypical UVA stuck ups, or academic programs, but what’s the point? We’ll just call them snobs, they’ll call us “pig farmers”….which PS THE SMELL IN BLACKSBURG IS FROM COWS NOT PIGS!!!!! and we’ll get nowhere.
Dan’s point was to show UVA that we know what we’re doing as fans and that maybe they can learn something from us as fans. He was able to stand back and look objectively, something very difficult to do, something I’m finding difficult to do while writing this.
Hope you learn how to be real fans!
Oh and it’s 2:58 a.m. and UVA still sucks! and their mascot fell off his high horse. hahahahaha. Oh U of V-A sounds like some bull shit to me, to me!
LET’S GO!
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Everyone on this thread that argues about UVA vs. VT is stupid. This rivalry needs to die, like now. Football is so damn USELESS anyway, I can’t believe you people are so fired up! I mean, with the intensity I’ve seen on this thread, I would imagine you were discussing how to solve global hunger, NOT FOOTBALL.
UVA is a great school. Tech is a great school. Charlottesville is a great town. Blacksburg is a great town. LIFE IS GOOD, STOP FIGHTING OVER PETTY NONSENSE!
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I can understand the raw emotional outrage many UVA fans may have felt in reading this article; however, it is apparent from the comments that ‘intelligence’ does not lend itself to objectivity… In my opinion, the article is a well written journalistic inquiry about the football experience at a rival school. Akin to the enlightening works of Upton Sinclair and other muckrakers, Mr. Stalcup is not afraid to tell his readers that which they least wish to hear, but need most. Kudos to Dan on what seems to be a well researched article (minus the error in stadium capacity). As for you UVA fans, get off your butts and cheer on your team this weekend versus UNC, they might even surprise you with a win!
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UVA should be ashamed at their lack of school spirit on game day. VT tailgating is exactly on par with what I would expect from any college football team. I went to Clemson for undergrad, and lets face it, we are nowhere near as good as the Hokies, yet our love of the school is probably beyond what I see hear at Tech. We tailgate like Hokies, and we do it in sundresses. Step it up, UVA…it’s so sad to hear that your school seriously lacks some school spirit.
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Good article! To some of you on both sides trashing each other:
I think of the UVa-Tech rivalry like this: two best friends who make fun of each other, but at the end of the day respect the hell out of each other. Some of my best friends went to UVa while I went to Tech. We have good nature laughs about each others football teams/basketball teams. One of these good friends I had the fortune of working with after college. We’re both Engineers, and we worked very well together. The petty arguments from both sides are pretty sad, and I know they don’t represent the opinion of the majority of the students and alumni of either school. Also, I know it has been said time and again, but I am still very thankful for the support UVa showed us after 4/16. My friends from UVa were the first ones to call me to make sure I was safe and doing well.
Here’s hoping UVa football makes a comeback and we can continue to call this a FRIENDLY rivalry.
Go Hokies!
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Anita… just football? JUST football?
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She probably goes to UVA
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HAHA, I go to Tech, actually!
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I didn’t even read all the comments by the UVA fans – but it doesn’t surpise me that all the childish UVA snobs are reacting the way they are – typical. As I was reading the article – I was imagining what UVA fans might say in reaction to the article…..right on point. I also tried to think how I would react if it were a VT fan writing the article about UVA football. I would hurt – but sometimes the truth does hurt. But I certaintly wouldn’t chastise one or own for making a valid point – which he did. Every program in America has it’s “thugs” – and every program in America has it’s ups and downs….how the fans react and the support they give to the program during those ups and downs is a good guage of the type of fans and people that make up the program and the tailgating experience. If and when VT has a “down” year or two – you’ll see the true colors of Hokies, just like right now you are seeing the true colors of UVA fans. Thank you UVA fans for making us feel better and thanking god that we are Hokies – I couldn’t sleep at night if I had the thoughts and ignorant oppinions that some of these UVA fans are showing. You are our best recruiting tool for the best players in VA and beyond! Keep up the good work and keep thinking that you’re better than everyone else – and you can keep watching VT whoop your tails year in and year out, keep watching us beat ranked opponents, winning ACC title, playing in BCS bowls, competing for National Titles, etc….at least in your minds you are better than the rest of us!
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You wonder why UVA has the reputation that they do. We defend our school by supporting them and showing how great we are. On the other hand, UVA just bashes us and calls us pig farmers and McDonalds workers. Our Architecture program is number 1 in the country. Our Engineering- number 10. Yes, we have an agriculture program because our University is a land grant institution. So what? Our Hokie spirit and love for our school is something UVA should be jealous of. I will always support Virginia Tech, win or lose. And I will NEVER wear a dress to a football game.
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I am quite partial to how so many of you have taken a sports post and turned it into “I’m smarter than you”. It’s a shame that you all can not have an conversation about anything without insulting the intelligence of a person who attended another school. This is unfortunate.
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I have to say this…. UVa fans need to shut up until we put a product on the field. We can say all we want about VT but what does it prove? What poor sports have we become? We are fairweathered fans to say the least… We look like morons at games because we are dressed for Foxfield rather than a football game. Our pregame ritual consists of making fun of the opposing team and then having our mascot fall off of his horse. Are you serious? Look, winning in Soccer, Tennis and Lacrosse is great but until we win something in Football we all need to keep our mouths shut. Some might say “well VT is a one trick Pony…..” Yeah maybe, but I would trade in our other sports to be a contender in a sport that matters! Also, why are we so quick to belittle players that get into trouble at VT? How big are the rocks that we are throwing in our glass house? The rap sheet at UVa is nothing to smile about.
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I don’t get it. What are Macho Harris’ and DeAngelo Hall’s crime records? Did i miss something?
If you’re looking for cow tippers and pig wrestlers you won’t find that here. Come on up and visit. Like many have said, we are a very hospitable fan base.
If you HOOS could see through the veil you have created you would respect this article for what it actually is. Calling for his resignation? C’mon don’t be so biased.
Come on down to Blacksburg and see how you’re supposed to really get down for football. After Enter Sandman, you’ll know exactly what this writer was talking about. It can be a learning experience.
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Uggh…what a terrible article. I feel dirty after reading that…
His backhanded compliments and not-so-thinly-veiled slams at UVA fans makes me sick to call him a member of my University. As much as that “writer” pretends he’s a Hoo, he was first a hokie and will always be a hokie. There is no way in 50 hells that I would be overcome with the emotion of sports and brotherhood while at a hokie game and find myself rooting for them even subconsciously. I don’t give a shit how many people they pack in their stadium and yoddle back and forth and square dance in the aisles…I hope they lose every game forever. I’d rather root for the Taliban.
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All this insulting of other schools’ academics is way out of line. Enjoy your degree from a truck stop? Seriously??
First off, I am glad to see that the Cav Daily printed this article. Real newspapers are willing to print articles that don’t sugarcoat everything. Those who are suggesting that the newspaper censor the article have no respect for journalistic integrity.
Secondly, UVA is not the mecca of culture that so many people seem to think it is. Charlottesville is a nice place, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. (I grew up around Blacksburg and it is a perfectly nice place as well.) Having a pig farm for scientific research does not make you ignorant, unsophisticated, a redneck, etc. Living on a pig farm does not make you any of those things either. Saying so would be ignorant and extremely distasteful.
I applied to UVA and was accepted as an Echols Scholar. I didn’t go because (OMG!!!) the academics standards were not as high as what I was looking for. That obviously doesn’t mean that you’re all a bunch of dumba**es. It means that some schools are harder to get into than others. That is about it. Don’t take it personally. Likewise, don’t be jerks about it to people at other schools. I think most people have much more respect for someone who is considerate of others than someone who simply went to a good school (which, of course, is relative). Also, stop pretending that there is a huge intelligence difference. There isn’t.
There is nothing wrong with school spirit. I wish mine had a bit more. It makes college a lot of fun. But it is only for fun. Don’t let it get to you. Someone is not stupid, bigoted etc. because they go to VT, live in a rural area, etc.
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you obviously have never been to a SEC game? how many football stadiums have you even been to?
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For what it’s worth, I still consider UVa to be our biggest rival. Obviously not our most competitive one, but always a rival.
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I am a Hokie, class of ’07. He got it all right; the article accurately descibes how a home game is for us.
We have the 12th man factor – that’s why Lane Stadium is a dangerous place for the away team.
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Hahahah the comments on here are hilarious
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I find the comments on this article once again backup why many Virginia Tech fans has little respect for UVA, and further facilitates our rivalry. I can understand that if our teams sucked as bad as yours we wouldn’t have such a hardcore fan base. The truth is no matter how much you point that out, being a Hokie is something I and many others are very proud of. Too bad when November comes Tech is going to show you how lucky our team really is when we mop the floor with your sorry excuse for a football team.
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its funny to read the comments by the wahoos about how terrible this article is just because UVA isn’t dominant at football. If tech had lost the game and the same article was written all the way to the part where tech won, all of you would be like hahaha tech sucks great article.
Just because you all wear ties to every occasion and look like a bunch of jackasses doesn’t make you better than everyone else.
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UVA2010: Sorry you are upset with the writer for his editorial. However, you also have to realize that VT v. UVA is no longer a rivalry. It is as much and in state rivalry as say USC v. San Jose State. UVA is not even on VT’s radar. Also, you do realize that the way you described UVA’s tailgate experience is exactly what Colin Cowherd was talking about in his rant about UVA (“chardonnay at the tailgate, they were ties to football games…that’s absurd, etc).
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Ok Dan Stalcup (author) actually understands UVA athletics. All you hokie fans out there obviously don’t know shit about the CAA, which dominates FCS compitition (not div-II), and have barely learned about the ACC yet. I don’t believe that UVA doesn’t have spirit, even tho the basketball games often have a more amped student presence. If the UVA players got as fired up as the wahoos do (yes wahoos not wahoo’s; some hokies cannot spell) then Cavalier football would be better. And yes, hokie coaches are WAAAAAY better, athletes-not so much.
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Dan Stalcup,
Thanks for the respect.
Everyone on here bashing him for writing this article is just showing an incredible amount of ignorance especially by saying he’s a disgrace to your school. He’s just being respectful which is obviously not a norm at UVA. You are all just insecure because you know he’s right and don’t have the balls to admit it. Reading all of these comments just makes me more proud to be a Hokie rather than a “wahoo”…(Skyler, did i spell that well enough for your standards???)
Best of luck in November!
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I am a die hard Wahoo fan, and the comments on this message board are hilarious. I can sympathize with both sides. For one, VPI has a better football environment – case closed. If you are a Hoo fan who is debating this, you should step away from your computer and put your straight jacket back on. However, I agree with my fellow Hoos who think Dan is not a true UVA fan (which I think Dan readily admits). It makes me sick to my stomach thinking of a fellow Hoo doing the hokie pokie, shaking keys, and ending a cheer in “Team Team Team.” Most Tech fans defend his article because it is written as a Hokie would write it. I ask Tech fans to try step into a Hoo’s shoes (Rainbows or Sperry Topsiders most likely) for a minute. Imagine the reaction if the following fictional story of a UVA student transferring to VPI appeared in the Tech school paper.
“ The most recent edition of US News and World Report came out this week and UVA was again ranked as the number two public university in the country. I scrolled my finger all the way down to number 29 on the next page before I was able to locate Virginia Tech. It made me stop and think for a minute. Is it okay to reminisce and wish I was a UVA student once more? Or is that blasphemy? There are corollaries that go along with those questions. What is Virginia doing right that Virginia Tech is doing wrong? What can Hokies learn from the Wahoo’s success, other than bitterness and envy?
So I decided to do some first-hand investigation into the matter. I decided to re-become, for one more weekend, a Wahoo. After a week of pleading and begging with my Hoo friends, I was able to convince them into letting me tag along into one of their classes for a week. The class was a political science class taught by Larry Sabato, one of the most well known and respected teachers at the University.
I had no desire to make this a detached, observational study. I decided to immerse myself in the noises, smells, sights and emotions of student life at UVA, hoping to learn if Virginia students are all they’re cracked up to be. I put on a collared shirt, went out to the Corner and acted for about 24 hours if Virginia was really my school.
I walked towards the campus (or “grounds” rather, I’m still getting used to this) and could not believe my eyes. This was no ordinary university. It was a sprawling mecca of lively students: relaxing, having interesting conversations, intently studying, and popped collars as far as the eye could see.
It wasn’t people just milling around, waiting for next weekend’s football game. People were really into student life. It seemed every soul was fired up to be at UVA. You couldn’t go five minutes without hearing someone talk about “Mr. Jefferson” or “the Rotunda”, and rightfully so since they are two of our greatest national treasures.
Instead of stodgy stone buildings, as I sort of expected, it seemed like well designed architecture. Sure, there were a few buildings like Gilmer or the Mechanical Engineering building, but there was also a building named Clark Hall that had some spectacular murals inside.
Perhaps the most impressive sight was the Rotunda (based on the Parthenon), with its beautifully designed dome and majestic white pillars. If you look through the keyhole on the front door you can see the Jefferson statue. I’m not joking.
After I found my friend, had a Gus Burger and dominated a game of cornhole on the Lawn, we decided to head to class.
Getting into the class was mass hysteria. A large group of people were trying to get to the best seats up front, and I loved it.
Finally I got to my seat, and I was embarrassed with how little internal resistance I faced in getting swept away with Virginia spirit. There was not an empty seat anywhere.
All was going well until a few minutes before class, when an earthquake hit. At least, that’s what I thought at first. It was just an emergency preparedness test the University frequently conducts to make sure the students and faculty are ready in case of an emergency.
The professor started his lecture, and students’ hands shot up asking interesting questions that helped drive the lecture. Every person in the classroom was absolutely intent on learning.
It was immediately following class that I witnessed an awesome tradition. Every student in the class literally started clapping and gave warm smiles to the professor. It was a sophisticated, almost excessive form of respect, but I’ll be darned if their joy and energy wasn’t contagious.
After that class, the week quickly became a snoozer. An article about Groh here, a bridge painted with “Groh must Go” there, but there wasn’t much to look forward to on the weekend – certainly not the football game. But the Hoos didn’t seem to mind having a bad team. They were enjoying their weeks without worrying about whether ESPN was going to mention their name on Sportscenter, or how many national championships they could have won if the refs hadn’t screwed them (most assume 5 or more).
This was the part of my visit in which the students impressed and surprised me the most. It was a breath of fresh air compared to some of the impatient Virginia Tech fans I know, who cared far more about football than enjoying their lives. Nobody checked their phones for updates on Tyrod’s quarterback rating every five minutes, no flocks of girls in pajamas (really? pajamas?) reluctantly headed for class, and it seemed nobody got bored and sat down, waiting for Saturday to happen. The Hoos just stood up and enjoyed their wonderful town and university for three whole days.
Of course, the Wahoo’s regular esteemed academic ranking is the prime factor in drawing the top students, but the biggest difference between Wahoos and Hokies runs deeper than mere numbers. It’s a genuine interest in education and a tenacious optimism.
I could bore you with details of the experience I respected and enjoyed – from the classy touch of UVA helping Virginia Tech into the ACC, or the spirit of TJ that lives in each of the students – but the revelation to me is that it’s a students duty to make attending a university a profound experience, not just at football games.
Yeah, the hokie pokie should probably go, and we should have more academic programs ranked in the top 25 (or 50 for that matter), but look in the mirror before you start slinging too much mud. I’m still a Hokie at heart, and I still think our school is better at football, but catching the Wahoo virus for a weekend verified that the Hoos are miles ahead of us as students.”
If that did not just make you spit up a little in your mouth, then you are not a true Hokie fan. If you are angry then my point has been made. FYI, I don’t entirely agree with what the fictional student wrote. I just wanted to show how Dan’s article would appear to a Wahoo.
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tsk tsk tsk……jealous jealous wahoos. Such a shame.
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Yay no baseball arrests
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UVA=PooVA.
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For all UVa students and alumni who get sick of taking crap from VT fans about how much better their football team is, just keep this in mind – it’s just their way of trying to make themselves feel better about their school. For some reason, VT fans feel that since their school has a decent football team (that still hasn’t won any national championships), it makes up for Virginia Tech being a second-rate school academically. It doesn’t.
Just smile and take it with a grain of salt. Football is not life, and none of these people who are talking trash to you had anything to do with the success of that football team. They live through it, and it somehow validates their inferiority complex to you. Remember, they tried to get into UVa but were denied, so this is all they have.
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VT & UVA each has its strengths and weaknesses. When it comes to football, UVA has Al Groh, VT has Frank Beamer; end of story.
I find it hilarious that UVA fans make fun of VT like they do. I wonder if they are even aware that the median starting salary of VT grad is higher than that of a UVA Grad. Similarly, the median mid-career salary of a VT grad is slightly higher than that of a UVA grad.
Call us pig farm U if you wish, but we are smiling that we earn more than you do, graduating from French U., sipping your chablis & nibbling on your brie, thinking you are the cream of the crop, and better than the rest. Keep smiling in the Land of Oz.
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I don’t think the amount of money you earn really says anything about the university. Engineers tend to make more money than other professions regardless of where they went to school
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I would like to thank Groh for losing to W&M, well not really. It appears that this has upset the natural order of things and now every manner of high school, vocational school, and convent in Virginia now feels entitled to weigh in here. It was bad enough when JMU started to speak up after they won a few games versus other little schools. Now things have spun completely out of of control. Seriously Mary Washington, do we need to hear your opinion on this discussion? We do not, nobody has even heard of you, I had to google you to even figure out what a Mary Washington was.
Please, if you are a student at Devry, NoVa, MaryWash, or from some other school that I’ve never heard of, just leave this discussion to the adults. If, however, you are a single lady and are interesting in an honest man who holds a prestigious CPA, well that is a different story.
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I just hope your garbage football team doesn’t go after Bud Foster when UVA decides to fire your coach
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Sorry you didn’t grow attached to Tech, Dan. Thank you for a respectable piece. Some of the UVa posters on here could learn from your tactful and classy discussion.
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When CPAs misspell/misuse that’s worse than the people at NoVA who are still learning. Your standards are garbage no matter where you went to school.
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The comments that the only people that go to VT didn’t get into UVA is ridiculous and outdated. No one likes Notre Dame either dude, get over yourself and join a freeking conference so you can earn your bowl games. I got into UVA and Tech and picked Tech after visiting both schools. The pompous attitude at UVA was apparent even 10 years ago. The campus tour was crappy, the person leading the tour as well as all of the other people involved at the UVA open house acted like we were privledged to even visit the place. Tech, complete opposite, they greet you warmly and act like it is a priviledge for Tech to have you visiting, beautiful campus, wonderful atmosphere of real people, not bowtie wearing dorks with no social skills or personality. On my way home from the Nebraska game the next day, my wife and I had to stop for a break and it so happened we were in Cville. I thoroughly enjoyed driving through Cville with my decked out truck in hokie gear, VT flags waving, everyone looking at me like howwww dare youuuuuu! UVA get over yourself. William and Mary, my god are you serious? I actually felt sorry for the UVA program when you lost that game, because it shows how far your football program has fallen, but after reading these snobby, better than you comments, I hope UVA doesn’t win another game ever. Please keep Al Groh and maybe you can lisp your way to a…I was going to say championship, but lets just say win. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOKIES!
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Yep football, Hokie memorabilia, and hate is what tech grads like Hokiehiiigh thrive on. Maybe he did just want to see a nice town, but all i saw were negative comments on the post, jackass. Talking about all the UVA snobbs (when they probably never said anything bad) while being a snobb,,, really thoughtful!
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Funny thing is we have better food (#1 multiple times) and you are still the pig nosed kids. Guess you could say we “farm” you.
On a different note, notre dame where’d you come from? No one in VA, hokies, hoos, tribe, patriots, rams, etc. thinks ND is a good school, but thanks for trying to sneak that one in.
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Dan is the metro-sexual of football fans. One foot in each camp.
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Hey wahoos, check out Miami vs Virginia Tech Hokies highlights on youtube to see how a real football team plays, see you in November losers.
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…Our program is only a year old…we lost to a high school, and I still think we can beat UVA football
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I gotta say, I find this thread is amusing (especially the angry VT and UVA posters).
I have but 3 things to add:
1. As a social experiment, I challenge Virginia Tech’s student newspaper to print an equally sincere, flattering, and mostly true article extolling UVA’s academics or something where the University is a clear leader. I’d like to see the reaction.
2. I do want to point out to the people who posted the salary information, that the payscale.com methodology doesn’t take the full breadth of alumni salaries into account. In fact, they only take into account the following: “Bachelors Only: Only employees who possess a Bachelor’s Degree and no higher degrees are included. This means Bachelor graduates who go on to earn a Master’s degree, MBA, MD, JD, PhD, or other advanced degree are not included.” This methodology is further extended to “Mid-Career Employees: These are full-time employees with at least 10 years of experience in their career or field who hold a bachelor’s degree and no higher degrees.” Of course, I don’t have solid numbers on this, but I can count on 1 hand the number of people I know from UVA who do not possess a graduate/terminal degree. We pump out a lot of Doctors, Lawyers, Professors, MBA-ers. End result? Payscale’s methology lends itself to skewing higher for a school where people are not as likely to attend graduate school.
3. This whole back and forth about football is nice, but let’s be honest here, the home of football, insane football tailgates, gameday atmospheres, etc…is the SEC (and Texas). Some of the screaming, blood, sweat and tears at those places puts even the pro stadiums to shame.
So, to my fellow alums, there’s a light at the end of this football tunnel, and I swear it’s not an oncoming train.
To the Hokies, enjoy your football success, but remember, King of the ACC Football = Line Leader of the Short Bus.
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Awesome!
Dan Stalcup, you are great!
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For the person who asked what else is there to do in blacksburg I have to ask you this. WHAT IS THERE TO DO IN UVA LAND? Nothing! what go read a book? I live in Charlotte, nc and uva and tech are located in the sticks. So go read up on your big uva city and compare it to charlotte, nc a real city!
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I like the passion on here but find that it’s clouding a lot of peoples’ ability to make a sound argument for or against either side. Opinions are being lost in generalizations and stereotypes that simply don’t apply to even a majority of either schools’ population.
I am a die hard Hokie fan and VT grad, and I dated a girl from Charlottesville. I didn’t grow up on a farm, but find many things appealing about that lifestyle. I enjoy a good bottle of wine with cheese on occasion, but prefer brown liquor and beer on gameday. I live in NYC and have enjoyed success on Wall St. but admit that I went to the UVA career fair my senior year to get exposure to more established firms in finance. I’ve stayed many weekends in Cville and I love the town…honestly. But there is something about going back to Blacksburg that gets me excited like a kid at Christmas. My Tech friends that are up here with me remain my best friends to this day, and if we run into UVA grads out on the town we enjoy a couple light-hearted jabs at each other but then follow it up with a round of drinks for everybody.
Your time at either school does not define where you came from or who you are. That’s your responsiblity.
But I do know this, what defines a football program is its past record and its following. And right now, the Hokies have a (turkey) leg up in both of those categories.
That being said, UVA has as good a shot as any at making a return to competitive football…just not this year. See you all Nov 28th…
Go Hokies.
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Great article. I’m actually coming to the UVA-VT game this year. I hope to find a similar experience in your house. What should I expect from the UVA fans, being a visiting Hokie? Will I be invited to tailgates? Are there are pickup football games to join? Will people in the stands speak kindly to my wife and I?
Shame on people bringing up academics/payscales/player criminal behavior.
This article is about a game and game atmosphere.
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If you think the writer was wrong, just wait for the VT v UVA game. With Hokies buying up tickets left and right (thanks to the fact that you Wahoo’s don’t seem interested in buying them) this will be a great HOME GAME for the Hokies. The sea of orange and MAROON will be a great sight to see that Saturday. But don’t feel too bad; at least Scott Stadium will be filled with real fans for a change.
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Wow…a lot of angry Cavs here. Calling for the author’s resignation. Really? get off your high horses.
The author was merely pointing out the differences between a Tech game and a Cav game.
Ever hear of home field advantage? 60K fans screaming on every defensive play tends to rattle an opponent and even causes some used timeouts here and there. We did not win that game because of 1 minute of play. If you were real sports fans you would know that it takes a full 60 minutes of play to win a game. If the Tech players didn’t play their hearts out, they would not have been down by only 5 points. Stop being childish and jealous and calling our wins “lucky”.
If luck was the only factor, why would you want to fire your head coach? Luck is not his fault and he should not be fired for it.
Luck is not the reason why Tech has some of the best winning percentages and most 10 win seasons over the past 10 years.
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I think the argument that we only go to tech because we don’t get into UVA is ridiculous. i got into UVA, but couldn’t stand the atmosphere there, so I went where i’d enjoy my life, VT. And besides if I wanted a UVA degree i could just go to UVA @ Wise because guess what the degree just says University of Virginia.
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I go to USC and I’ve tailgated both times when we played uva and va tech. I’m sorry but the uva people may dress nice to their games but during the games the techies seem pretty ‘emasculate too’. For one their band seems to love playing the symbol or something…whatever it is sounded really gay and for pre schoolers. Also who dances to the ‘hokie pokie’?? So basically you’re both pussies and/or childish
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Hey Hokie Vag, take snoop dog and the rest of southern california and go #$%^ your mom.
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Great article! “UVA 2008″, if “any quarterback” could make the throw Tyrod did in the last game UVA would be in a better position. Jameel Sewell is horrible! UVA had great talent filter through it’s system when Al Groh arrived on UVA’s campus. It was the big buzz. Everyone wanted to play for former NFL coach Al Groh. He blew it, your school blew it (decided to honor his request of 2+ million a year), and your fans don’t help the situation. Football and basketball just aren’t your sports. Enjoy your brie and wine!
- A non-ascot wearing Virginia Tech Hokie
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Keep posting Hokiehiii. You set a fine example.
Are you old enought to drink yet?
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Hey Go Hokie, are you sure you’re not a UNC or Duke basketball fan like most other Hokies?
won’t be long before we can check on the atmosphere at a Tech basketball game after you guys start to suck again.
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I would like to respond to UVA 2010. He said
“I would like to call for your immediate resignation from this paper. After reading this article I was disgusted at what I saw the Cavalier Daily become. A paper for UVa students containing an article on how one of our students admitted to rooting for our biggest rivals… The reason this rivalry is not one of the best in college sports is because of people like you.”
Here is the truth about the UVA/Tech rivalry; its over. Just like many years ago when VMI was Tech’s rival we have moved on to bigger and better things. I would consider Miami or BC now to be our biggest rivals. As far as foot ball goes. UVA is just that other school in Virginia.
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Va Tech blanked THE US Olympic team in a straight up competition.
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My only question: Why do so many Hokies read a UVa newspaper and then spend so much time responding to one of the articles? If you don’t like UVA that’s just fine, but then why waste the energy reading one of UVA’s publications? Given my name on this post it probably comes as no surprise that I don’t care for VT, but then again I don’t spend my time perusing their website or reading their newspapers. I am genuinely curious about why VT students feel the need to read a newspaper published by UVA.
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I thoroughly enjoyed reading this article and appreciate your view point. I am a Hokie for life (so I am a little biased) but I do have a few comments.
1. It is nice to get your opinion about the differences in the game atmospheres. I have only known VT football to do well since I graduated in 2002 so I can’t imagine what it is like for another school to NOT have this much spirit for their football program.
2. While you are ‘supposed’ to dislike your rival college and it is ingrained in your head during freshman year (especially when you do lose the football game to the other team), I still like to support UVA. It is easy to hate your in-state rivals when you live in VA or the surrounding areas, but when you live on the West Coast any connection with VA makes me happy. I love meeting people that went to UVA (although that doesn’t happen much in SF)! I would rather talk to a Hoo than a Bear here and they are everywhere! I think you VA people take it for granted. You could be 3000 miles away from the camaraderie. I can’t even watch the games on my regional sports channel!
3. Hokie Respect-I think if anything this article should teach Hoos a little Hoo Respect. I feel like Hokie fans are maturing more each week b/c they realize it’s not only about a football game, but they want to make sure even the visiting team has a great time in Blacksburg and at Lane Stadium (and UVA 2008…there are more things than football at VT…try visiting sometime). I plan on attending the VT/UVA game this year and I hope that your Wahoos are a little more hospitable than they are on this discussion list!
GO HOKIES! and go Hoos (when they aren’t playing the HOKIES)!!
p.s. Tyrod’s pass for a game-winning touchdown was not a blown coverage play…it was a team that makes things happen. Don’t be jealous, Hoo fans.
http://www.dontfirealgroh.com
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I like landscape, and UVA has beautiful landscape. LITTLEPAGE NEEDS TO GET FIRED……..
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I like landscape, UVA has beautiful landscape. Littlepage needs to go, everything he does is bad.
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Tech fans need to stop bitching about UVA fans sounding stuck up with their comments…they have all the rights to be indignant. This article was published in poor taste. Their own newspaper is glorifying their biggest rival. I go to Maryland so I can’t really speak for football rivalries, but if the Diamondback published a pro-UNC or Duke basketball article, I’d be furious. There are plenty of other college football games he could have attended to compare UVA to, so why rub it in with Tech?
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The main difference between Tech and UVA is that a large number of Wahoos take themselves way to seriously. Evidence of this can be found under the comments of this article. They’re always the ones to bring up the “better” debate. Since the Princeton Review is the authority on everything, I will acknowledge UVA as a “better” school, but if I’ve only got 4 years to experience this college thing I’m going to Tech.
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-always a hoo- we don’t care about your stupid newspaper, this article was posted on facebook and cycled through espn.com on the article comment pages because one of your own wrote an article about how much better VA Tech’s football program is and how much better VA Tech’s fans are compared to UVA. The fact that one of your own would write something like this is hilarious and is the reason why so many hokies are commenting on it. This is priceless! Believe me, I had no idea what the cavalier daily was before seeing this article and I will never read anything from this paper after this article, except of course if another one of your students writes about how awesome we are and how much you all suck!
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Wow, what a huge amount of unbelievable bitterness from you Cavs. You want to fire your newspaper man for telling it like it is. Go bury your head in the sand a little deeper. The fact is your team lost to Mary (William didn’t even need to suit up), you are oh and 3 and no relief in sight, Al Groh is a joke, and the fan experience is much more a “social event” than a football experience – call it what you will. I think your writer tried to keep it pretty clean and honest about the football spirit, but you guys want to turn it in to pig farming and so on, bunch of elitists that I guess you continue to be-too bad for you. Get over yourselves, you are just a bunch of ordinary folks who happen to have a bad football program right now.
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UVA 2008,
Wow, is all I can say. I will give you a pass on your ignorant comments since I’m guessing you’re a 2008 graduate and have not grown up yet. It is funny how many UVA students on the internet boards claim to be much smarter than VT students and that we will all end up flipping burgers or delivering your pizza. I have interviewed many VT and UVA grads for high level jobs. I have not met many UVA grads with that type of attitude. If I even sniff an ounce of arrogance, you’re resume is in the trash. Let’s all clear this now. UVA grads will not be hired instead of a VT grad or selected for an interview because of your school. It may be harder to get into UVA (due to the size of enrollment) and you may perceive to get a better education, but what you do during your 4-5 years is going to matter. If you truly believe that your degree and SAT scores hold a lot more merit than a VT degree, then you should never be competing for the same job another Hokie is trying for. In your mind, you should be better than that, unless you failed miserably given the “advantage” you claim to have. Good luck in life, you certaintly will need it.
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I hate to break the news to people, but going to UVA will NOT get you a better job than going to VT, or Radford, or JMU for that matter. The only people who think this are “academics” (read: pretentious overcompensating losers who haven’t accomplished ANYTHING in real life except sponging an extended education off their parents).
Just out of curiousity, is there any differnce between the degree you get from going to UVA – Charlottesville and UVA – Wise?
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This is why you all need to fire Al Groh. Why does he talk like a medieval knight? lol
On UVA’s improvement in practice since their 0-3 start and having an 0-0 record now with conference play starting and their goal being to win the ACC:
Coach Al Groh said. ‘Probably with this team, we hope that subsequent games will confirm this. We have seen progress in most phases of the team on a week-to-week basis, and with the installation of some of these new operations, we hope that, as I say, that it’s a trend there in taking some time in getting these things installed and going the way we want them to.’
WHA??
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quarterback Jameel Sewell said. ‘We’re really locked in about UNC and the rest of our conference games because we still have the opportunity to pull something out of the hat and have a great season.’
um no, UNC 40, UVA 3 (because you all are good at soccer)
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Virginia is 120th out of 120 division I-A teams in kick return defense and 119th in kick returns. The Cavaliers are better on punts — 44th in punt return defense and 74th in punt returns — but not nearly enough to validate the time invested during practice and the emphasis it received it during the preseason.
Because you have to actually score to kickoff. All those punts makes that punt return defense average look a bit better. LOL
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UVA SUCKS. The only thing UVa fans have of national relevance is the Gay Lumberjack
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Look it up
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Great article man. Way to stir up some controversy. Hopefully UVA will face the music someday and do something about their inadequacies, making the trip from Blacksburg to Charlottesville worthwhile.
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Just so you know VT leads 48–37–5 overall VT leads 5–0 in the ACC and VT won 17-14 on November 29, 2008 at our last meeting so the cavs are not better on the “Reg” and also you shouldn’t discredit the wahoos so much they are actually 111th out of 120 so don’t be too hard on them…HAHA GO HOKIES
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why are so many virginia tech fans on here. Your (singular, not the entire virginia tech fan base) presence only validates the fact that you are doing this because you are insecure with yourself, your team and your school. That is why you are talking shit. The same goes to uva fans. The argument of which school is better is like asking what came first, the chicken or the egg.
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Virginia Tech fans, I respectfully ask you to please go away. This is a UVA newspaper, and while the author has every right to say what he said, something tells me he had every expectation for UVA fans to say something back. If he didn’t, well then that’s his own problem. But do you really need to try to validate yourselves by coming on here in droves and calling UVA students “snobs” when you look just as vindictive and hateful in your responses? You say that you are so much better than the other people here (from UVA), but yet your comments come off as uneducated, insecure and snobby.
I don’t think anyone is going to deny that VT has a better football team (although I don’t think they’re the best, either), and I also think people would agree UVA needs to go in a different direction football-wise. But coming on here and merely insulting UVA as a whole in response only makes yourselves look bad. And it is remarkable that insults focus on our architecture and our engineering schools rather than the University as a whole. Although I’ve seen a list that says something different: http://www.archsoc.com/kcas/researchschool4.html.
Either way, I think the hate coming from both sides should just calm down. Neither side looks good. But, then again, football isn’t everything.
I will always be a proud wahoo. But I respect both institutions
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Who accused UVa students of being snobs? I’ve never heard that one. I’ve heard of Virginia students being described as high-school nerds who attempt to feel better about themselves based on what they feel is validation from USN&WR. I think Virginia students have a right to feel proud of their academic accomplishments, even if they were unable to land dates in high school. With that Uva degree under their belt, Cavaliers are able to command a salary almost as high as what VT grads are able to earn. Not too shabby.
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Oh my gosh…..Most of you proved the author’s point. The rivalry between the two schools is mainly because of Wahoos who think and behave as poorly as all the nasty comments here. Can’t believe how immature most sound…and some nasty, low class comments…I’m sure Mr. Jefferson would be SOOO proud of the class and decorum you’re showing…….Long Live Hokies!!!
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Even if UVA has now squandered their traditions, tech never had any worth a shit. Hokies can’t spell and/or use apostrophes. UVA teaches people how to read and write, bottom line.
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I find it funny Al Groh thinks the word “tweak” is too cute. Coming from a man that coaches probably the “cutest” school in all of Division 1-A. He says it’s not even in his vocabulary, so I guess when a player hurts his leg or something the media response is “So and So altered his hamstring in practice, he’ll miss a few days.” This is just another example of UVA trying to shed their persona of being an soft, inferior, and uncompetitive program.
UVA is a school for queers and they’re too ashamed to acknowledge that. When you have to say “NOT GAY” in Good Ol’ Song whenever the lyrics come up with the word gay, you’re in denial of you and your school’s credibility.
Face it, you have a reputation of being stuck up, self, centered, and faggots, and most of the time this stereotype is right
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On the original subject VT football and gameday atmosphere is much better than UVA. Since stepping into the national spotlight in the late 90′s our fans have grown, being more welcoming to visiting fans, the school is complimented on it after every game. As for the comment about VT fans not supporting their basketball team, the allotment for student tickets for basketball is always sold out and since the acquisition of Seth Greenberg as head coach our team has also improved (even beating UVA).
I won’t get into the non-athletic squabbles because they are off topic.
Skyler, calm down it is an online posting. I do not think any of this is going to be published or thought of as professional writing.
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Actually MJ, Virginia Tech IS the best architecture undergraduate program in the Country. http://www.architectmagazine.com/architecture/the-undergraduate-programs.aspx
Just because VT isn’t UVA, it doesn’t mean that we’re not ranked academically. In fact, our engineering program is better than yours and our accepted GPA for last year was almost the same as yours. I’m not saything that Virginia Tech is better than UVA, but we’re just different schools. The author of this article clearly writes about differences between UVA and VT on game days. Yes, VT does have a better team, so maybe that is a reason for a fan pride being better.
To all of the students bashing opposing teams, you are pathetic. Even though this rivalry has been going on for years, I have many friends that have gone to UVA, who are not snobs, and I know plenty of people at Tech who are not hicks. Let this go, seriously.
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Hey MJ, sorry but if you look at the comments from the very beginning you will see that the UVA comments were the first negative ones. (calling us farmers, having no brains so all we can do is play football). I agree, the negativity got way out of hand, but UVA started it all. UVA pushed and then we just knocked you all out.
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as you can tell Hokies are the only one commenting now
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Yeah but if you use an apostrophe when you are not supposed to you are just RETARDED and can’t write. UVA is winning their game lol How’s it going at Duke? VT = OVER RATED
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number 6!!!! yall need to be number 26 man! Get over yourselves OVER RATED. YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A NATIONAL TITLE!
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hey skyler, duke is gonna beat your ass worse than last year. hahahahaha, glad you’re pumped at your BIG win against UNC, give me a break. Tech has a down game and everyone says we’re overrated, you all have a down game every week. Guess you didn’t notice the reason we had a down game, defense had an off game, tyrod threw for almost 350 yards and 2 td’s, that’s bad news for the teams coming up on our schedule, our defense will get right back on track and our offense is actually looking pretty damn good and well ….. UVgay still sucks.
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My my, how childish and petty we become when it comes to competition…
Kudos to Dan for writing such a controversial article. It’s nice to know that other people can appreciate what it’s like to be a Hokie fan in Lane Stadium!!
The main point of this article was to highlight the experience he had, not to pour salt in the wounds of all UVA fans, and certainly not to compare which school is better. I for one hope that UVA can pick things up so that the rivalry can be heated again. As good as it feels to win, it’s always better when it’s a good game vs. a blowout.
I find it hard to believe how easy it is for people to say such nasty things about other people just because of where they go/went to school. The way I see it, we all go/went to school for an education to better ourselves for the real world. Since when does education have ANYTHING to do with sports? I am one who greatly enjoys the rivalry we have with several schools, but what I can’t stand is the arrogance that many carry along with them when they thing they are better than someone else just because of the school they attend(ed). I chose VT because I fell in love with the school as a child when my brother went there. When it was my time to go to college, I didn’t even apply to UVA, so to those who like to say we went to VT because we didn’t get in to UVA, get over yourselves. Success is what you make of it, not because of the school from which you received your degree!
Just as a note…as an HR professional, companies don’t care that you went to UVA, VT, PSU or USC. So long as you have a degree, which doesn’t always have to relate to your job, you’re the same as everyone else. Enough with the “my school is better” attitude. Support your school no matter what, and let the rivalry stay on the field, WHERE IT BELONGS!
Go Hokies!
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UVA is not my team until the end of november when they meet yall’s sorry asses. See you then frowning, turkey ass.
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Just some nitpicks with Julie and 01 Hokie about stuff that actually matters (not football).
Julie, you state that VT engineering is “factually better” than UVa engineering. FALSE. The UVa engineering starting salary > Tech’s engineering starting salary in 6 out of 8 fields. And it’s been this way for as long as both have been providing average starting salaries.
01 Hokie, you say “as an HR professional” no one cares where you went to school. Tell that to the investment banking industry. Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Lazard… they all come to recruit on-campus at UVA and they won’t touch Hokie grads. These are jobs that start at $150,000 straight out of college (with bonus). If you go to Tech, you’re missing out on the most lucrative career opportunities.
http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRelease.php?id=7870
Note that Pamplin isn’t the 2nd best undergrad b-school to McIntire in Virginia. It’s not third-best. It’s not even fourth! UVA, Richmond, W&M, and JMU are all well ahead of VT when it comes to the “money fields”. Where you got your degree does matter a great deal in some fields, such as investment banking and finance.
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Also, to speak to this article itself… it would be more interesting (but impossible) to compare the VT football atmosphere to the UVA football atmosphere in an apples-to-apples situation.
Back when Beamer was 3-8 (I know that no one here can remember that), the atmosphere at Lane Stadium was abhorrently toxic. Hokie “fans” were holding up signs that threatened his family, made fun of the scars on his neck, and worse.
Going down there in the best of times doesn’t tell anyone much… every fanbase is awesome in the best of times. Heck, if you judged fanbases by the early 1990s situation, the UVA one would look amazing and the Hokie one would look relatively small-time and, well, hokey.
More responsible journalism would compare fanbases today in BASKETBALL. Now that’s apples and apples! Neither program is doing well right now… yet UVA, a much smaller school, manages to get twice as many fans to its stadium. And the basketball fans in Charlottesville seem to be louder and more generally knowledgeable of the sport. Why is that? It’s certainly not the spoils of success.
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I can fully relate to Dan’s experience at Virginia Tech. I was down there for the Thursday night Maryland game last year and it was no doubt a much greater college football atmosphere than what we have here at UVA. Sure we might get a better education and dress more preppy than those guys but they don’t joke around when it comes to gameday. Lane Stadium is one of the toughest and loudest college stadiums in all of college football and its no doubt that they have superiors fan. I’m going down for the the BC game this weekend and can’t wait to receive that great hokie hospitality that they never fail to offer. The tailgating is dope, the fans are great, and those guys know how to have a great time. GO HOKIES!
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As a Tech student, class of 2012, I can assure you that football is not the only facet in which Tech is superior. For one thing, UVa. students are discouraged from holding large-scale gay orgies in public. At Tech, these unprotected man orgies are a daily part of the curriculum. I can’t tell you what I would do if I was a Wahoo, and forced to supress my wildest homosexual tendencies. My “friends” Allen and Trey provide me with that daily “pick-me-up” I need to succeed at this mediocre, bloated state school for also-rans. Also, I like it in the the anus. Just to make that abundantly clear.
Stephen Murphy
Class of 2012
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YOU UVA SNOTS ARE MAKIN JOKES AND CHANGIN THE SUBJECT TO BUSINESS SCHOOLS AND YOUR BIG FANCY JOBS BUT WE DONT GIVE A CRAP AND YOU ARE JUST COVERIN UP TEH FACT THAT TECH RUELS AT FOOTBALL AND FOOTBALL IS LIFE SO WE RUEL YOUR LIFE AS WELL. JOKE ON THAT JOKERBOYS.
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Hey HOO FANS……cram it in ur cramholes
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70!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The point Ben makes about comparing the programs when both are mediocre is a good one. You can see the difference in the basketball crowds. The Hokies went 19-15 last year and drew an average of only 8,981 to their home games. Virginia had a terrible 10-18 season and yet still drew a superior average crowd of 10,316 to Charlottesville.
In rough times, Wahoo fans show better support than Hokie fans and it’s not even close.
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Stephen Murphy, lol. I for one never saw any man orgies while at Tech. LOL.
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Chris Sills vs. Dan Stalcup on the UVa sports podcast, Big Time Wahoo:
http://bigtimewahoo.com/?p=54
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Actually, this is an independent paper and it’s posted on the internet, so anyone has the right to read it and comment on it. Don’t listen to some of these people Mr. Stalcup. You wrote an interesting and controversial article and obviously it’s too much for some people to handle.
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P.S. Here’s some of our rankings, for those of you making uninformed comments about them:
http://www.vt.edu/about/factbook/measures-excellence.html
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This isn’t actually an independent paper, it’s funded by U-Va., just as the Collegiate Times is funded by VT. The problem with the article is that it wasn’t written to inform, it was written to incite and be controversial… Stalcup wanted his 15 minutes and he got it. *slow clap*
As I’ve said time and time again, this wasn’t interesting. It’s not apples and apples. What would be more interesting would be to compare fan support for two programs that are both in an era of mediocrity. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… Wahoo fans support their teams through thick and thin (as well as anyone could expect). Hokie fans support their teams only through thick! The basketball attendance numbers back this fact.
As for VT’s rankings, I don’t think anyone was making uninformed comments about them. VT is absolutely terrible as far as it’s business school, but some other departments are decent. UVA is different in that not only is their B-school #1 in the entire country (yes, ranked above MIT and Wharton – http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/rankings/index.html) but most every program is strong across the entire spectrum. Yet we’d expect that because UVA upholds some standards and remains highly selective, whereas VT tries to include everyone they can… at the expense of watering down many of their departments.
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Ben’s link didn’t work for me, you have to remove the ).
http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/rankings
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Ben-
Do a little research. the Cav Daily gets NO funding from U.Va. It is completely independent of the administration, and even pays rent for the space it uses.
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Sam – oh the CD is funded by UVA alright. Have you ever compared its “rent” to rent for the same space in the private sector? Say behind The Corner? It’s not market-rate rent, meaning the Cav Daily gets a rather large subsidy from the University each month.
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PS – I just realized I will offend every CD writer and contributor, past and present, by pointing out the stealth economic subsidy. So apologies in advance – the CD is 99.9% financially independent of the University and no one outside of Rouss Hall would recognize that it isn’t 100%.
The Cav Daily is as independent as it possibly could be while remaining a student-run organization… definitely unique and the bearer of a proud tradition. Unfortunately, the current editions of the CD pale in comparison to yesteryear’s.
Thus, I can’t wait until Stalcup releases his “Hokie experience” basketball fan experience article to see how well they support teams that don’t happen to be nationally ranked on a regular basis.
Additionally, I can’t wait to for him to do some real research into the topic of this article and tell us what the Hokie football fans were like when their program was at a similar juncture to UVA’s currently.
Who are we kidding here… Stalcup is not the man for either of these jobs. I challenge any writer, preferably not a Hokie High transplant this time, to take up the mantle of turning this Polyanna craptastic article and turn it into something informative and interesting… and not just to Hokie students and bandwagoners (a term that includes 90% of the Hokie fanbase given their attendance in any sport that is not nationally ranked).
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lol, you stupid wahoos are still mad about this article. get over it!
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Dear Skylar,
No need to call anyone “retarded”. It should not be a derogatory term; it is descriptive of a medical condition.
That doesn’t reflect very well on your so-called classy school, now does it?
with love,
a Hokie
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Want to be a lawyer or doctor, go to UVA. Want to be an architect or engineer, go to Tech. Both schools have their strengths and weaknesses with the reality for both being the masses turned out from either are productive, respectable, middle-class citizens. For those arguing the extremes, I suggest you run for office since candidates from both seem oblivious to the masses in the middle.
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The biggest difference is in business, which you left out. If you want to work on Wall Street, go to UVA. There are plenty of doctors and lawyers who went to Tech I’m sure… but I’ve yet to meet a single person on Wall Street who went to VT undergrad or grad… and I’ve worked for Deutsche Bank @ 60 Wall Street in Lower Manhattan for 5 years. There are 7 guys on my floor from either McIntire or Darden, and dozens more throughout the building. Not a single Hokie except the security guard (seriously… come visit 60 Wall Street, the guy you sign in with is a Hokie… I kid you not… the only one in the building).
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Great point…I guess. It’s interesting to see someone so aggressively attach themselves to Wall Street. Hardly a monicker of virtue and success today. But I’m glad your proud of something. To bad it’s not something of consequence to someone other than yourself.
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Wow you’re hard on Wall Street. Which shows you know little of what it is. Hokies here are claiming that grads of the school makes as high salaries as Wahoo grads, but when you have a direct path to Wall Street at one school and no path at the other that’s not possible.
Our salaries as investment bankers start in 6 figures straight out of college, yes even in recession. No Hokie will ever make this salary. Sorry. Just because you aren’t successful at something, doesn’t mean that no one wants to be successful.
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I’m sorry to say that I would rather have my children attend Tech than the ungracious, snotty, self-absorbed, brat club UVa has become. I attended the U when the girls were all smart and most of the boys were real stupid. What I gather from the comments many UVa folks have made, they don’t get the point of the article: it was about reflecting on one’s own behavior and making improvements. The University of Mr Jefferson is no longer and the University of ME FIRST BECAUSE I AM BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE JUST BECAUSE I WENT TO UVA is now the order of business. How great that in this era, Hoos aspire to be those great contributors to the betterment of our nation: investment bankers. Very sad.
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“…blah blah I attended U.Va. when it was a good school blah blah the kids these days only care about themselves blah blah I’m going to send my perfect children to Tech…”
If you are actually U.Va. ’73, then I truly pity you. Going out of your way on a Monday morning to share your ridiculous “unique” opinion (which, if you read the above comments, has been beaten to death) tell me that you either don’t have a job right now or you have a job that doesn’t require that much attention. On both sides of the coin, that’s pretty sad.
CHURCH
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This whole thread just proves how aristocratic, stupid, and ignorant people from both sides are. Charlottesville is a small town, blacksburg is a smaller town. Stop clinging to guns, religion, and ncaa football. Come to the big city (D.C.) and realize nobody gives a fuck about tech or uva football. Big city people look down on you “saltines” and your cult-like support for your redneck school. Nobody from the big city or the north would ever engage is this stupid ass argument. It’s like Redskins vs. Cowboys * .00001% = nobody gives a shit outside your redneck towns.
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Dean, you are an idiot. I don’t care if you are on wall street. It’s people like you that made me hate my time at UVa and hate UVa. Though I would never want to go to tech, I would much rather go to college with someone like “Hokie nation”. He (maybe she) seems to actually be grounded and sensible. You equate money to success. That is despicable and only represents the cancerous values of UVa.
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Whoa, Person 23. Don’t throw the baby out with the the bathwater.
There are definitely assholes at U.Va. who actively try to cause pain to everyone around them. You could probably walk down Chancellor Street and very easily find them.
However, not every person at U.Va. is a jerk. There are a lot of intelligent good people here. Saying that a large, diverse group of people is homogenous; that simply doesn’t make sense.
Also, HAIL TO THE REDSKINS.
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Please do not think that UVa is diverse. It is not. There was more diversity at my High school (tj science and tech) than there will ever be at UVa. And I had 5 black ppl in a graduating class of 400!!!! However, the white people actually interracted with the black ppl. As opposed to uva. TJ was diverse because everybody acted, thought, and dressed as an individual. UVa is not diverse because ppl act, dress, and think in groups. Diversity has very little to do with race, and everything to do with individualism.
I agree. go redskins. replace campbell tho.
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This is simple. The reason tech does it bigger before, during, and after football games is because they have something to be excited about. Not too exciting losing your season opener to a D1 AA team.
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I think this is an excellent piece, and it distrubs me to see so many of your fellow classmates being so harsh towards you for simply expressing your opinion. I’ve been to a VT/UVA game at UVA, when I was a freshman, and I have to say I was stunned at how rude some of the people were. I’m not talking about jibes from random passers-by, but how the friends of the person I was staying with treated me. I have never been treated with such disdain and ill-will in my life.
Now, don’t get me wrong – not everyone was mean, but I think it would do good for all of us to remember that rivalries have their place, and while it’s fun to trade jibes with one another, I think it’s also good to acknowledge that each school has its strengths – Tech is a powerhouse engineering and architecture school, and UVA excels at liberal arts. Nothing wrong with that.
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It’s sort of hilarious to see Hokies say that VT is an “engineering and architecture powerhouse” while UVA is for “liberal arts”. UVA’s greatest strengths are in what are called the “professional fields” (doctor, lawyer, MBAs) but there’s really no field that it isn’t very good at… including engineering and architecture. It is, after all, the creation of the nation’s first great architect and engineer, Mr. Jefferson himself.
As for those looking down their noses at Wall Street.. save the holier-than-thou protests for Soviet Russia. Without Wall Street, our economy wouldn’t function (not to say that there shouldn’t be something done about the ridiculous coin i-bankers bank in that oligopoly up there… but good luck doing anything about it).
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As a Hokie fan that has been to many Tech games (home and away) and many UVA games (home and away) the differences are startling. The age old debate of who’s school is better is ridiculous. Each school has its strengths that sets it apart. Having friends at UVA I know for a fact that UVA students are not all bow-tie wearing cream puffs although I think a sad emphasis on status and the WASP style is definitely present. AND NO, Tech students are not rednecks. Just because a school is located in Southwest Virginia does not make it a redneck school. That whole thing is tired. Uva makes fun of Tech fans for being rednecks, Tech fans make fun of Uva fans for being uptight pussies. All of it is tired. As a Hokie fan , I WANT UVA TO DO WELL! The rivalry would be so much better and funner. I do think that Uva fans need to stop associating Tech fans’ enthusiasm for their sports teams as insanity or “all we have” and just see it the way it is, we have more fun with it. It’s a party, a celebration of our school and our sports teams. Not that UVA doesn’t have spirit, just sometime ago it was lost onto something else. Sports don’t brand your school, academics do. Tech has great academics, UVA does too, probably even better in some areas too (just like tech does). The whole debate is just tired. UVA fans just need to step up and seize the fun, and take notice that they have a beautiful stadium and a potentially great team that can make fall Saturday’s the funnest days of the year. That is the only one-up Tech has on UVA , I see the rest as even. Just wish UVA would do better so the rivalry can be renewed and stop the bickering about rednecks, academics, preps, and the relevance of football. All of those arguments really have no backbone.
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ASUVT, by “sports teams” you mean “football team” right? VT doesn’t have fan support for any other sport…
UVA > VT in attendance at EVERY OTHER SPORT THERE IS.
Seriously, look it up! UVA fans do appreciate all of our awesome sports, that’s right ALL OF THEM, not just one. You should try going to a different sport some time, maybe you’d like it.
And I agree, it’s be interesting if YOU GUYS would become more competitive at sports. It’s boring winning all the time.
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I just can’t believe there are 340 comments
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Shame the Hokie National Championship talk is shelved for another season. What a pipe dream. I am sure there won’t be too many proud Hokies posting now.
Sure, you should beat us again this year but big deal, enjoy another weak bowl and postseason loss.
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Hey David H, I will be rooting for UVA this weekend to upend the Jackets! GO WAHOOOOOOS! LOL.
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Eat a donk David H….
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Yeah is it going to be another “down” game for virginia tech tomorrow in Greenville? Face it hokies, you buy into all the preseason hype like a bunch of masochistic morons LOL have fun getting beat!
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skyler = douche
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