During a press conference Wednesday evening, University President John T. Casteen, III said he was unaware of the 2008 arrest of former men’s lacrosse player George Huguely, who was charged with first degree murder Monday in relation to the death of Yeardley Love, who played for the women’s team.
Huguely was charged with swearing in public, public intoxication and resisting arrest Nov. 14 in Lexington, Va. and reportedly threatened a police officer’s life. Casteen expressed frustration with the lack of communication between police jurisdictions, adding that neither Charlottesville Police nor the University was ever informed of the incident.
“Strikes me as odd,” Casteen said, “that the law does not require that kind of notification.”
Thursday, The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported that Casteen and University officials plan to meet with Gov. Bob McDonnell to discuss the possibility of passing a state law that would require police departments to notify universities when a student is arrested.
Dean of Students Allen Groves added that he was first informed of the arrest when he read about it in the media in the days following Love’s death.
“As things surface, as things like this 2008 arrest are brought to light, I find myself saying, ‘I wish we had known that,’” Groves said.
Athletic Director Craig Littlepage explained that University policy requires a student involved in an alcohol incident to undergo counseling. In the case of an athlete, the student would be suspended from team-related activities until he was cleared by the counselor, Littlepage said. Thereafter, the athlete would meet with his coach, who could potentially take further disciplinary action.
Littlepage said neither men’s team coach Dom Starsia nor Huguely’s teammates came forth with any information regarding the 2008 incident. Littlepage did address the potential gap of communication separating players and coaches that has become a nationwide issue.
“Understand the dynamics of a team: The last thing you want to do as a teammate, as a roommate, as a friend is to tell something that might have you fall out of favor with somebody that you’re very close with,” Littlepage said. “There’s a unique element of trust within a team, and we’re struggling with a mechanism by which student-athletes can feel comfortable having either a mechanism or a person who they can go and speak with.”
Are you making leaders or followers at UVA? Thomas Jefferson would be appalled by this attitude.
“Understand the dynamics of a team: The last thing you want to do as a teammate, as a roommate, as a friend is to tell something that might have you fall out of favor with somebody that you’re very close with,”
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“Strikes me as odd,” Casteen said, “that the law does not require that kind of notification.”…..sounds like something farmer Bob would say (no offense intended to farmers (or Bob). You mean Casteen and his legion of lawyers didn’t know?? Really? If he didn’t know, he should have known. I think he (UVA)has a duty to know. That said, I’m not sure he or UVA could have stopped this guy or gotten him ‘help’ to deal with his rage/alcohol issues. That was his parents’ responsibility when he was a child, and now it’s his.
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Ok, Mr. Littlepage, let’s do Honor System 101. It is the community’s system, not that of any over-arching authority. That is why it is student administered. People who violate the trust that is integral to the community are themselves making a decision that they no longer want to be part of the community. That is why there is a single sanction. That’s also why those who passively condone behavior that violates the trust by not reporting it are themselves violating the trust. That is the basis of the honor system at UVa. It is pretty shocking that someone as senior at the University as the AD is so apparently oblivious to what ditinguishes the University from most others.
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I think the incident in 2008 is really quite minor. It comes down individual rights. I think people have to the right to be publicly intoxicated, especially if they are just steps from a private frat house. I would get angry too if a police officer invaded my liberty the way this police officer obviously did. The police officer should have left the kid alone. There is no reason for somebody to get tasered for stumbling around drunk yelling stuff. If this police officer would have respected liberty and personal freedom, this could have been avoided. A kid stumbling around drunk outside a frat house is not a threat to society (in general), so I think the police should put their focus somewhere else. I believe the police officer who tasered him is completely in the wrong. It seems to me that she was the initiator of violence. It’s almost police brutality, and I bet it only added to Huguely’s long term anger problems-a point ignored by most media outlets. If someone tasered me for being drunk in public, I’d be very, very angry. The University has no right to know about the incident, unless of course we want an ultra-fascist, 1984 like society where people tracking is commonplace.
It seems typical for Casteen to blame a county 70 miles away and the law for the University not having knowing about Huguely’s issues. How about blame the ppl who saw the incident at the frat house 2 weeks earlier, and the people that knew he had serious anger issues. He should blame the people directly surrounding these 2 individuals, the people should have stepped up to the plate and done something. It’s easy to blame to something abstract, like the law, or a county 70 miles away, it’s a lot harder to acknowledge that people within the community could have done something.
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wow defher. That’s about the dumbest thing I’ve seen posted about this. You need help.
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C ’84 – It’s good that you provided a counterargument. Oh, wait you decided to start throwing out insults instead. That makes you dumb. How about being an intellect and making a counter-argument instead.
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This is fueled by various outside factors, but the core issue is: VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN BY MEN. It has to stop. Forget lax, college binge drinking, spoiled rich kid entitlement (anyone’s educated guess is that those were ALL factors)…and let’s please zero in on what no one is talking about…VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN. And this young man, first through words, then through apparently obsessive stalking, and as documented in his case history, and as occurred allegedly according to their friends just weeks or months before when he “tried to attack” her in public, according to paper — this young man thought it was OK to attack a woman. He thought he had the right. He did not. That is the bottom line. That is the tragedy of our culture. This happens in so many relationships, and it begins with verbal abuse. Let’s start educating all kids entering college on verbal and physical and emotional abuse…just like we have done with STDs. Make it a mandatory course at every single Freshman college orientation program. We owe it to ourselves. We really do. Rest in peace Yeardley. Every woman who looks at your picture sees the brightness in your eyes. And every young man should understand that they have no right to ever invade the safety or sanctity of our lives as women. It starts with education and respect. Huguely’s parents somewhere along the way missed it. They really did. His Dad walked out of the courthouse with a smile on his face this week. Something is not right and it goes way deeper than what happened on one unfortunate night when all of the above factors probably collided. Let’s start educating about domestic and relationship violence please. May God bless her soul.
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Well, here we go again making the most ridiculous presumptions.. The latest batch being that the UVA administration; a) tells the truth, b) pretends for just a second in front of the national media that a drunk in public arrest of one of their students is a big deal to them, or c) would have done anything other than cover the 2008 incident completely and make sure nobody covered the story in any case.
Has anyone bothered to ask all the folks in Lexington if anyone ever notified UVA? Probably not. That might, well, you know, reveal things we don’t want to know – of course. Either way, WHY the hell would ANYONE think that they would have handled this any differently than they do the dozens of DIP arrests (and assaults on their own police officers) right here on grounds every football Saturday and Foxfield Saturday????????????????????
They had their UVA police force – the ones who get assaulted by drunks and it’s not news – put up yellow police tape in front of the rotunda yesterday so as to prevent the media satellite trucks from parking there anymore. I saw a cop running one of them off earlier in the day because they had not gotten permission to park there from Carr’s Hill. Ha! I bet it will be hard to get a hotel room in this town this weekend. Somebody probably scooped them up so the national media in town would have no place to stay. The Casteen Cloaking Device is very busy at present. Get the media out of town. Don’t let them park. Don’t reveal what was in Huguelys blood stream Sunday night, or which fraternity he belonged to. Don’t let anyone know about the broken ribs from the assault at Kappa Sigma a few weeks back either. Everyone just keep quiet, and it will all go away – just like it always does. Graduation is coming, and so is Beach Week. Yay !
Any other place or school in the country, and a student dropping dead 5 weeks ago in a frat house at the age of 21 would not only be news – everyone would know why he died.
Not here!
Any other place or school in the country, and every possible detail and evidence in the case of a missing young woman in danger would have been covered quickly and thoroughly – even if she was from that “other” school.
Not here!
Any other place or school in the country, and assaults on police officers by students would be news, and the community warned that such behavior is not tolerable.
Not here!
Any other place or school in the country, and the dozens of arrests at a horse race for DIP and drugs would include the names of those adults arrested.
Not here!
Any other place or school in the country, and the BAC and/or drugs in a suspected murderers blood the night he killed a fellow student would be knowledge that would be of great interest to the student body, and news of it would come quick and thorough.
Not here!
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http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2010/05/04/diet-coke-angel-yeardley-love-made-a-big-impression/
“According to one student athlete, the media frenzy over the killing has become so hot that University officials have instructed members of various sports teams to refrain not only from making any public comments about the case or their friends, but even from accepting new friends on social networking sites such as Facebook.”
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There is exactly one – and only one – media source in this town that dares to mention any of the unmentionables. Late? Yes. With timidity? Yes. With a total lack of investigative journalism? Yes. But they are the only ones who will dare mess with Mr. Casteen. But he still, for now, has his UVA police force gagged, silent, and obedient. The medical examiner, too. $4 billion is a lot of money. Note the last paragraph below. Ah, yes. The Casteen Cloaking Device is still going full steam, even with the national media in town..
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2010/05/06/loves-injuries-and-why-witnesses-might-have-been-confused/#more-32520
“Another possibility is that the roommates never did believe it was an alcohol overdose but that emergency responders— told of an unresponsive student— may have considered that to be the most likely scenario. It would not have been the first time they responded to such a call.
Just a month ago, fellow UVA fourth year and psychology major Joseph Luke Arwood, who, like Love, was due to graduate this year, was discovered unconscious inside his fraternity house, Sigma Phi (aka Serp), at 163 Rugby Avenue.
Hospitalized on Friday, April 2, the 21-year-old Arwood died two days later at UVA Hospital. Although no details about his condition or blood alcohol level prior to his death have been released, his death is mentioned on the homepage of the SEMS Foundation, a nonprofit dedicated to preventing alcohol abuse in college students.
UVA police, who handled that investigation, have not returned a reporter’s call for comment, and a spokesperson at the chief medical examiner’s office in Richmond says results of tests could take four to six months from the date of death.”
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Charlottesville police are investigating accounts that George Huguely V physically attacked another University of Virginia student because he suspected the student had a romantic interest in Yeardley ls said.
Huguely, 22, allegedly entered the student’s home and attacked him while he was sleeping, according to friends close to Huguely who spoke to The Washington Examiner on condition of anonymity.
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Why did no one say anything? The killer could have been stoped. These friends all have a part in
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The sad thing about this is the failure of some students to report their observatons and concerns to administrative authorities to begin some kind of intervention. The other very egregious thing about this is that the sports faculty and team mates did nothing to report alcohol problems to administrative authorities, especially coaches knowing that there were quite a number of serious alcoholoffenses. Alcohol education as part of punishment is not treatment. Many students who exhibit the excessive use of alcohol need to be carefully evaluated by the medical profession and the mental health profession, a diagnosis made if there is one, and then the appropriate treatment plan initiated. Often students at the age they are are often under years of stress in addition to their family history, genetics, etc. as their bodies are still going through major biochemical changes including endocrine changes. Overuse or abuse of drugs/alcohol is a clear signal by anyone that major evalluations need to take place to rule out any genuine physical or mental problems. There is no urine or blood test for depression and young folks who may actually be suffering from depression often/may find that alcohol,drugs,sex,food,compulsive behaviros,porno,etc. etc. are mood altering behaviors/chemicals that temporarily lift their mood and reduce stress.
Alcohol,drugs,etc. alter and change and modify how the brain fires and causes brain chemistry dysfunction and even brain damage, i.e. alcoholic psychosis, black outs or memory losses of weeks, months and even years. There are actually some persons that because of genetics who can become addicted to alcohol after their first or moderate drink of alcohol. The control of alcohol distribution is under the jurisdiction of Alcohol,Tobacco, and Firearms. The law does not require producers of alcoholic beverages to label the contents (completely) of what is actually in their beverages, i.e. like cigerettes,; The Food and Drug Admisistration should take regulation of alcohol back under its review and supervision and hopefully we would get to know exactly what chemical composition composes alcoholic beverages. There may even be some chemicals that are for some folks substances that they may in fact be allergic to in some circumstances and they would not know that given that the alcohol beverage producers are not required by law to disclose the contents of their alcoholic beverages. Alcohol abuse is a very serious health/mental health problem in the country at large. I did my doctoral dissertation at the University while working at the largest alcoholic rehab center in the county and used patients in my statistical sudy of menory recall in alcoholic subjects who were diagnosed with cerebral dysfunction and compared that group of subjects with subjects who showed at that time no evidence of cerebral dysfunction although they had a history of alcohol abuse at the time the study was done even though they were residents at the rehab center.
More and more sudents being admitted to institutions of higher learning are entering with emotional/mental health issues and some are already on medications.
This trend is going to continue to increase in the coming years at all universities and institutions need to plan accordingly to provide and establish a response that includes evaluation and treatment plans while students attend to their goals in education and lifes work.
Joseph H. Quintano, Ed.D. 64 and 74 UVA
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Stephen, you don’t know that this or any violent/drunken/drugged incident was NOT reported to the UVA administration, or to the UVA police – because obviously you would have never known about it either way.
Other than the three that resulted in a murder, can anyone recall from the past several years hearing about any UVA student being involved in any incident and/or arrest involving violence, alcohol, or drugs that was covered in the media?
There have been hundreds, probably thousands of incidents. But you haven’t heard about any of them. Nor have you heard or read the names of those who were involved.
There’s a reason for that.
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George Huguely, the UVA lacrosse player who has been charged with killing his fellow student, Yeardley Love, had lost his cool before: According to The Washington Post, he attacked a teammate while he slept last year. Apparently, there were rumors that the teammate had kissed Love, whom Huguely was dating at the time. The teammate suffered facial bruises, and both players were disciplined by the lacrosse coach.
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Now they coach knew and did nothing. They need to do what they did at Duke!
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defher: No, you don’t get a personal liberty to walk around intoxicated. It’s not a right, and it won’t be. You’re a danger to yourself and to other people around you. Furthermore, and this is the most important part, police rarely make these kinds of arrested if the person is just minding his own business, albeit drunk. The report stated that Huguely was in the middle of the road where traffic was coming, that she pulled him aside and asked him if he had friends that would walk him home, and then he proceeded to yell and threaten her. What part of that is an invasion of personal liberty?
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This sure feels like similar events that have occurred in history. This “cover your friends” stuff is certainly not new at all. I hope as students we realize that the administration is not going to solve stuff like this for us. We can talk all we want about it but it comes down to each of us doing the right thing if we have a friend that is destructive or violent while drunk then we need to help him/her get straight. Work with him/her one on one but bump it up if he/she is just not listening. Is it better if someone hurts himself or others vs. having him/her pissed at you? I’m sure many of his buds are realizing that now. We all talk about community here we all need to step up and walk the talk. Isn’t that what a community does?
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Dom Starsia needs to come clean regarding the recent allegation that George Huguely attacked a fellow UVA student for “having a romantic interest in the late Yearley Love sometime over the past year. The fact that this person might have been or is a fellow teammate or UVA student is not relevant. What matters is whether or not Huguely asscualted someone is.
The University sould independently investigate this matter and honestly report its findings. If they have no merit, the issue should be dropped. If the investigation reveals this attack did occur, then the appropriate measures should be taken against both Huguley and Starsia and Starsia without prejudice.
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What strikes ME as odd is that a university president would claim to have no understanding of the law or police and court procedures when it comes to the arrest and sentencing of a student. While Ms. Love’s death was certainly a terrible thing–and one hesitates to compare lesser offenses to her sad death–some questions remain: Has no other University of Virginia student been arrested during Mr. Casteen’s period as president? If so, had he not learned something from the incident? Did Mr. Casteen not learn something about student violence in the aftermath of the Virginia Tech shootings? Has Mr. Casteen not spoken with his athletic department staff about student/athlete misbehaviour and crime, especially given the numerous incidents of such behaviour committed across the nation and reported so frequently in the news? (This list of questions could expand considerably, but I’ll leave it there to make, I trust, my point.)
Pleading ignorance in these matters is more akin to cowardice and negligence, in my mind, than can be condoned. No single man can bring about justice and security to a large college campus, granted, but Mr. Casteen’s comments as reported here indicate a frightful repetition of Pilate’s washing of his hands.
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As we speak, Casteen & co. are STILL proving how adept they are at media manipulation, obstruction of justice, and keeping any and all negative news that might possibly involve a UVA student from being covered. They obviously could not stop this case from hitting the front pages. It did before they could react. If Ms. Yeardley had only survived, you probably would have never heard about it any more than you did Mr. Huguely’s attack on a team mate while he was sleeping. But notice how we STILL have no mention of what was in Mr. Hugueley’s blood stream a week ago. We STILL have no cause of death in the case of a 21 year old student dropping dead 5 weeks ago. The UVA polive got to that one – a few hundred feet from Casteen’s house – before anyone else could. Their cowardly mantra of “no comment, no comment” continues. Is there really not a single officer in that organization who is ready to blow the whistle once and for all?? NOW is the time.
If there was even ONE investigative journalist in this town at present, they would be rolling the huge, dead log over to reveal what lies beneath around here. That includes the hundreds of wiolent, drunken, drugged incidents – including sexual assaults – that Casteen’s administration has been making consistently disappear for two decades now.
WHY is the guy at the helm of this regime of cover ups being honored and allowed to give the commencement speech?
I’ll copy another post from the Hook site:
Ex-UVa May 8th, 2010 | 10:11 pm
I appreciate SusanR’s postings on all of these sites.
I have spent time at many Universities in the US. UVa, perhaps because it is inside a special “bubble” police district (Albemarle county) inside another (Charlottesville) inside its county (Albemarle again), & because the town is so small, has made itself impervious to law–in every way, at every level. Just try to shepherd cases where UVa is defendant–they don’t come up. It is above AAUP, CHEC, EEOC, and all the other regulations other universities abide by.
I was at the vigil the other night, fortunately not when Casteen spoke, because I would have shouted had I heard him dare say that women “should” come forward with complaints. SusanR is right: women on UVa campus know that THEY are just as likely to be labeled “the problem” as is the victimizer.
If I had a college-age daughter, I would not allow her to come to UVa, and that is true of no other school of its stature in the US.
I am personally a victim of retaliation over simply being tangentially involved in an attempt to raise EEOC concerns, and while I know of close to a dozen attempts to raise such concerns with the administration, I know of no such instances that were resolved in the way I have seen standard at other universities, and most were not resolved at all.
This case made the headlines because of its graphic nature; sadly, it must be seen as the tip of an iceberg that badly needs to be exposed.
http://www.uvavictimsofrape.com/
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Thankfully for the rest of the world you are a single male in his late 30′s to early 40′s with little prospect of bringing a child into the world, Sean.
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LITTLEPAGE’S no exit policy could have prevented One Murder,yet he still will enforce it@!!!!This Hugely had 4 proirs and noone knew??? HA.AND WHAT is the DISCLIPINE??? A beer with the guys? Look at the felons on Jeff Jones team.Again just sit out a few games.The-lacrosse men’s coach just lost hiis father to disease.How would he feel if his child had been MURDERED in cold blood.I suggest that all three ‘men’ go coach pigs on a remote island.I suggest the team colors be prison black and white.Let’s get back to MR. Jefferson’s academical Village.
NO excuse!!Craig Littltpage could have prevented one horrible murder,yet he continues his absurd no exit policy.Jeff Jones had a team of felons,who were ‘discliniplined’HOW. a slap on the wrist.The men’s lacross coach just lost his 89 year old father to disease.Wonder how he would feel if his 22 year old daughter were murdered in cold blood.This Huguely had 3 prior arrests for violence;yet no one knew???Believe in flying pigs.As for Casteen,he had too much going on with women to whom he was not married to pay much attention.I know this to be fact.Why not change the team colors to prison black and white?? This is supposed to be Mr.Jefferson’s Academical village.Where are the academics??I would love to the GPA’s of these monsters.All quiet on the western front of the school,the paper,and the coaches??? Honor??try to find it around here,Yet no problem nor lack of publcity of the arrest of a man in a wheelcair crossing a street.IS there no justice?? no. It is all about money from sports.If this were a true academic institution,there would be much more emphasis on academics than sports.What a total disgrace to the city,the paper and these three ‘men’.
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Time for a new law. When an athlete gets in trouble with the police the police must tell the school. The NCAA should then disqualify that athlete from paying again. The NCAA is not a right it is a privilege. Break the law you should lose that privilege.
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Fault lies only with the killer. He is an adult. He knew better. Others most probably knew (or should have know), but to blame others now for the killer’s acts is “Monday morning quarterbacking”. Steps should be taken now to make sure this doesn’t happen again…this goes for all UVA students, jocks or not. If it does hapen again, esp. w/ these circumstances of prior run-ins w/ the law, and then violence, well, then Casteen et. al. should be sent packing. The buck has to stop somewhere.
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Mr. Jefferson is to have said the only facts that could be relied on in a newspaper are the advertisements. As he never had opportunity to purchase a flat screen TV or an automobile, I disagree with the latter part of his premise to solidify his position.
San factual knowledge of obfuscation, the allegation is without merit.
To cite a few recent allegations in this newspaper, President Casteen used his position to influence the local media and others to turn a blind eye and not comment or report the criminal or socially unacceptable behavior of a few UVA students, has publically denied knowledge of events and facts that he was indeed privy to, and has bullied a Virginia State Medical Examiner to withhold an autopsy report.
Please keep in mind, Dr. Casteen did not murder anyone, plead guilty to public intoxication and assault on a police officer, force a fraternity member to ingest a toxic amount of substances, stand at the corner under the influence of alcohol and yell racial obscenities at minorities etc.
As the president of UVA, Dr. Casteen has been tasked with many challenges due to events that have taken place on campus and elsewhere involving a very few UVA students. To anyone in his position, having never held similar, I’d suppose his most challenging and heartbreaking task to date would be as the spokesman for the university after last week’s tragedy.
My guess is, only the parents and blood relatives of these two children could be more devastated by this tragedy than Dr. Casteen. Though he was not their parent, they were children under his tutelage.
Because UVA is a highly regarded institution in the microcosm of higher learning, it’s bound to be in the national focus after a horrific tragedy of this nature. A murder as heinous as the one that took place last week in Charlottesville should not ever happen anywhere and certainly not on the campus of this prestigious university, but it has.
Now, Dr. Casteen has to set about the business of seeing that no further damage or harm come to his family as any responsible parent would. He is still at the helm and it is still his job to do.
With or without your or my approval, I believe he will draw on his experience to exercise due caution and use his best judgment to see this event lead to productive and positive change while he goes about the business of gently and protectively picking up the pieces of his shattered family with the hope of reassembling it with dignity.
If in the execution of his duty he handles matters in a manner inconsistent with your method or philosophy, so be it. If you air your dirty family laundry in public and take unsolicited advice from strangers about how to run your family affairs, that’s your business.
I doubt if Dr. Casteen is in need of anyone new to tell him how to run his.
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Cssteen,who obviously has not a clue how to run a university with honesty,blind eyes to all should resign or wait for th BOARD OF VISISTORS to do it for him. The same for Littlepage,Whatever is it he does except no exit policy is definitely not worth what he is paid. Dom Starsaia is a study in stupididy. How could he not check the backgrounds of his players.I think he did and chose to ignore it.WIN,WIN at all costs.The police and ‘The Daily Progress’(Regress)publish nothing but the general,Not a single,detailed fact.’details cannot be released at this time…’ Where do we get the facts? National news!!! Where are the police other than giving citations or making petty arrests.That collectiom of rag-’the”Progress”‘should quickly close its doors. And to think that beautiful,young girl will be chopped up for an autopsy.Her parents wil never see her graduate,make a success of herself,or revel in grandchildren.Shame be on all of you for this unnecessary theft.I wonder if remorse is in your vocabulary.Perhaps Governor McDonald is excellent at cleaning a very dirty house.WE all hope so
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Dorothy, say it with me, “coherence.”
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UVA students and insiders, please come to this message board and join in the conversation:
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/922197-student-student-lacrosse-murder-uva.html
Although current UVA students have been asked to contribute, Casteen’s Cloaking Device has apparently even reached to this message board, as UVA’s rep has requested that the UVA students be left alone.
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The Lexington police department did not know that Mr. Huguely was a UVA student. He had no identification on him that suggested he was anyone other than just another 20 year old coming down from MARYLAND to visit friends and getting out of control. VMI and William and Mary make very frequent requests as to whether any of their students have been in legal trouble, and the department responds to each. UVA makes no such requests. For Mr. Casteen to suggest that the Lexington Police Department had some sort of obligation to inform his administraion of Mr. Huguely’s arrest in 2008 is just more diversion from common sense – and his administration’s long tradition of covering up violent/drunken/drugged incidents involving its students.
UVA can access the criminal records of its students any time it wants, and chooses either not to – or not to divulge any results therefrom (my guess is the latter). Keep in mind that all of these criminal records are public information and can even be obtained online. Nobody need go directly to the specific jurisdiction involved in thbe incident/arrest.
The Lexington Police Department did their job. The court sentence was way too lenient for someone who resisted arrest and threatened police officers repeatedly with – - death! If Mr. Huguely would have had to take a month or two off from school to go to jail, then PERHAPS history might have played out a bit differently. Perhaps he might have finally tasted some accountability and calmed down. If not, perhaps Ms. Love would have likewise woken up to exactly who she was dating. But the the attraction for the biggest, baddest boys just is what it is. It’s the real world. And until a week ago, Mr. Huguely had no reason to think that he wasn’t a BMOC bad boy that had and would continue to get away with whatever he wanted to inside the UVA bubble. I still agree with another few posters here (one of whom gives details of her daughter’s rape at UVA and her attacker’s conviction 6 months later of obstruction of justice) who suggested that had only Ms. Love survived the attack, we would probably have never known about it. And that is thanks to Mr. Casteen’s very consistent and long standing policy regarding such things.
Note that the only negative UVA stories that printed in Charlottesville are when there’s a dead body at the end of the incident. No others make it to press. Have you noticed that, or are you just noticing that now? The point is that “we got your back” is a tradition and a culture around UVA. Has been for a long time. And it is within this culture that men like Mr. Huguely flourish. There is accountability for UVA students if they copy and paste a few sentences from wikipedia for a paper while on a ship hundreds of miles from a library – but there has been exactly ZERO accountability for ANYTHING that happens between 10 pm and 4 am. And yes, that includes all the drug use, getting 17 year old girls rip roaring drunk in frat houses, the sexual assaults, the petty vandalism, the violence, or the hundreds of Drunk In Public arrests.
Hopefully, Gov. McDonnell will hold Casteen’s feet to the fire when they meet tomorrow. Nobody in Charlottesville that can do anything about him will dare. It’s up to him. And that includes the very, very curious way the state medical examiner in Richmond acts any time there is a UVA student involved. Still no toxicology reports from the SERP brother who died 5 weeks ago, or indeed Mr. Huguely who has been in custody for a week. Indeed, still no cause of death in the first case at all. As we saw with the Harrington investigation’s details, the reputation of “the university” comes first before ethics, honesty, accountability, or even medical science.
It’s worth asking everyone one more time, and this includes the local media.. Why the hell would the UVA administration be allowed to suggest that they would have done something about Huguely’s arrest in in Lexington in 2008 when they cover up and do nothing about similar arrests of their students on their own campus – and do a perfect job of making sure that the local media does not cover any of it?
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Experienced Geezer (and others),
I thought you might be interested in what can be found on the University of Virginia Police Department Web site. What follows seems clear enough to me and I can only assume that Dr. Casteen was familiar with this policy. Why he would plead ignorance of the university’s rather lax procedures is beyond me.
“The University does not record statistics for crimes involving students that occur in other jurisdictions and are investigated by other local police agencies. Such criminal offenses are recorded by the jurisdiction where the crime occurs, however the University maintains good communication with other departments and tries to monitor incidents involving students in other local jurisdictions.”
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Chris, thanks for that link. I had given up looking to the UVA police for anything than a “no comment.” Just one thing: you should not be in the least bit confused as to why the administration came up with this BS..
They had nothing else to go with.
They are CURRENTLY covering up any number of violent/drunk/drugged incidents at UVA. They know full well that they don’t need to go to Lexington to find them. A student died a few hundred feet from Casteen’s house 5 weeks ago, on his block. I for one don’t think the governor is going to take Casteen into his office, pour him a drink, and say “how do I help you make this go away, John?” More like, “so, you wanna tell me all about your special relationship with the state medical examiner?” Keep in mind that McDonnell is as pro life as they come, and Mr. Casteen brought in house abortions to UVA 20 years ago as another facet of the “we got your back” policy. These guys probably hate each other.
Anyone with the scarcest bit of rationality knows from the record that the only thing they would have done IF Lexington had told them about this arrest is make sure that nobody else found out.
Casteen’s goose is cooked. His chickens have finally come home to roost. He sure as hell shouldn’t be giving the commencement speech. The class of 2010 would be much better served by somebody far from these controversies to step in and get a new era started as soon as possible. In other words, nobody the Board of Visitors considers to be an old buddy.
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Can you cite one example where Casteen made sure no one found out about a students arrest?
Can you produce any evidence that Casteen has a “special relationship” with the state medical examiner?
Do you realize how loony you sound?
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He really doesn’t sound too loony to me. Zealous, sure. Loony, no. I think the loony perspective is to not realize that UVa is full of corruption and full of corruption by wealth. I think blaming it all on Casteen is a little far-fetched, much of the secrecy surrounding certain events needs to be blamed on the Dean of Students, especially former Dean of Students, Penny Rue, one of the more corrupt people to ever pass through UVA.
“Can you cite one example where Casteen made sure no one found out about a students arrest?”
No, but I can cite a huge cover up, where the University helped ensure that students wouldn’t get arrested. In 2005 or 2004 (maybe 2006), some Memorial Gym students were discovered to be taking student IDs (after students were renting out equipment, like basketballs) and running over to the bookstore and running up massive student charges (billed to the parents) on those cards. Instead of being taken to honor trial (for stealing hundreds, even thousands, of dollars of stuff, nothing petty), the Dean of Students worked out a deal so that the families of these very well-off students would pay for the new camera system in the bookstore. It’s a high tech camera system (30-40K) that automatically zooms in on people based on their body heat and whatnot. These students were never brought to an honor trial, and were never charged formally (as the bookstore agreed to drop potential charges in exchange for the camera system). So yea, there’s an example of corruption. My Source: the former manager of the bookstore. He could’ve lied to me, but I doubt it.
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He really doesn’t sound too loony to me. Zealous, sure. Loony, no. I think the loony perspective is to not realize that UVa is full of corruption and full of corruption by wealth. I think blaming it all on Casteen is a little far-fetched, much of the secrecy surrounding certain events needs to be blamed on the Dean of Students, especially former Dean of Students, Penny Rue, one of the more corrupt people to ever pass through UVA.
“Can you cite one example where Casteen made sure no one found out about a students arrest?”
No, but I can cite a huge cover up, where the University helped ensure that students wouldn’t get arrested. In 2005 or 2004 (maybe 2006), some Memorial Gym employees were discovered to be taking student IDs (after students were renting out equipment, like basketballs) and running over to the bookstore and running up massive student charges (billed to the parents) on those cards. Instead of being taken to honor trial (for stealing hundreds, even thousands, of dollars of stuff, nothing petty), the Dean of Students worked out a deal so that the families of these very well-off students would pay for the new camera system in the bookstore. It’s a high tech camera system (30-40K) that automatically zooms in on people based on their body heat and whatnot. These students were never brought to an honor trial, and were never charged formally (as the bookstore agreed to drop potential charges in exchange for the camera system). So yea, there’s an example of corruption. My Source: the former manager of the bookstore. He could’ve lied to me, but I doubt it.
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For the record, I am a Darden alum who was also a varsity athlete at another prominent public university aka The Leaders and Best
Let’s put and keep things in the proper perspective regarding the recent brutal murder of Yeardley Love. She was allegedly murdered by George Huguely. Mr. Huguely is currently being processed by the judicial system and will stand trial for this horrible offense. A jury will decide his fate. Mr. Huguely should face his punishment like a man.
Simultanously, an unfortunate situation has emerged on the beautiful grounds of Mr. Jefferson’s University as a result of this brutal act. First, John Casteen, has inferred on multiple occasions over the past week, that UVA is poorly prepared to prevent tragedies like this from occuring and rightly so. An institution like UVA cannot on its own prevent events like this horrible murder. UVA can, however, institute and enhance the appropriate safeguards that could dramatically decrease the probability of such unfortunate events from occuring in the future. Starting now, UVA needs to bolster these safeguards.
Second, Messrs. Littlepage and Starsia continue to stumble around like the Two Stooges to avoid any accountability for creating the reckless environment of unfettered privilege and prefence that indemnifies scholarship athletes from being held accountable for their negligence. Like it or not, Mr. Huguely was under Mr. Starsia’s mentorship. Although neither Mr. Starsia nor Mr. Littlepage bear any direct responsibiity for Mr. Huguley’s actions against Ms. Love, both men should come clean as to whether or not they had any previous knowledge of Mr. Huguely’s prior misdeeds, especially the alleged attack on a fellow player who reportedly expressed an interest in Ms. Love. If it is proven that both Messers. Littlepage and Starsia had such knowledge and took no action to redress any inappropriate acts by Mr. Huguely, they should be dismissed from their positions immediately.
Little to worry, Barnum and Bailey would employ them in a heartbeat as a well-oiled “clown act”. It’s time to end the two tier system of rights and privleges that institutions like UVA, Michigan and others continue to perpetuate – the high end program for the jocks and the regular system for the other 98%+ of the student body.
Accountablity is best practiced at the grass roots and on a level playing field
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Alex, if you simply go to the UVA police web page where they clearly explain how Casteen was lying in that press conference the other day here:
http://www.virginia.edu/uvapolice/stats.html
You can scroll down and pick a year and a month. Have fun picking through the felonies as well as all the misdemeanors. As I have done before, I’ll copy Susan’s post from the Hook site:
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“Per the Clery Act tables mentioned in Sean’s posting: In 2008, the last reporting year, the table shows 7 Forcible Sex offenses reported to campus police and 7 Forcible Sex offenses reported to other agencies. That’s a total of 14 rapes reported by students. Were any students sanctioned or expelled? Were any arrests made? If the answer is no, then why?”
Alex, are 14 rapes in a year good enough for you? Feel free to browse through the archives. Hope you have a week or two to spare.. Other than the ones I have witnesses, there have been plenty of others I have heard about. the one a UVA police officer told me about a student assaulting 3 cops at a football game and breaking their bones was probably the most interesting.
But don’t bother calling the UVA police and asking them for anything other than a “no comment.” They work for Casteen.
He should NOT be giving the commencement speech this weekend. He is the last one who should. He has lied, covered up, arm twisted, and coddled his way into earning being forced to retire early. He can start selling cigarettes this weekend. And the students who remain here – the ones who are trying to keep things as they were like you are – would get a valuable message sent that things are changing – and that the days of manipulating the media, obstruction of justice, medical misinformation, and a blind eye turned to all the aftermaths and drugs involved in UVA party life are ending.
Not in August. Now.
Or should we just wait until the next young body shows up in the morgue?
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Sean, it would be easier for us to hear your message if you were not so vituperate. You seem to make some valid points, but your personal attacks are just over the top. Let’s stick to the facts instead of speculating about Dr. Casteen’s motives.
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Chris, you can’t debate the topics at hand – so like so many others you just try and turn the conversation to me.
I did not lie to the media at a press conference last week about a very clear, stated policy at the school I have run for 20 years, and tried to pass blame on the Lexington Police department for a violent student that had been violent right here at UVA.
I did not see to it that hundreds of violent and drug related incidents at my school, and the names attached thereto, have never made it into the local media.
I have not told my campus police department not to comment to the media on any incidents that might cast my school in a bad light.
I did not see to it that important details in the case of a missing young woman in danger were suppressed and not reported because they might cast my school in a bad light – and maybe even find a(nother) killer therein.
I have not had three wives on Carr’s Hill and have people online still suggesting I am cheating on my third, while at the same time telling everyone how much I care about women.
I did not blame the UVA endowment losing over a Billion dollars in hedge funds and derivatives – on the federal government.
I did not bring in house abortions to a state funded school and cover the costs with parent paid student “health” money while specifically making sure not to tell the women that this causes preterm birth and birth defects for future children.
I have not been accused by former employees of using about a million dollars of university money to buy my second wife a condo at Wintergreen as part of a divorce agreement to keep things quiet.
I do not sell pills at Elson to my female students marketing them as cancer inhibitors – while they actually increase a young woman’s chances of getting breast cancer 40%, and cause cervical and liver cancers also.
I did not refuse to act when a student was accused of rape and later the same student was convicted of obstruction of justice.
I do not give away pills to teenagers for free and avoid telling them that they cause ectopic pregnancies, and mask the symptoms thereof.
I did not make sure that 3 local papers and one local TV network did not cover the story of a student dying an untimely death on campus 5 weeks ago.
I have not coddled and protected athletes and other members of my student body from the after effects of felony arrests – or indeed even media coverage thereof.
Chris, if you have any other ideas as to why all these things happen(ed) here besides the president – then lets hear it. Lets hear your counter theory as to why all of this happen(ed) here. If I am wrong and these accusations are without merit, then it should be real easy for you to point out who it is that is responsible for all this if indeed it is not Mr. Casteen.
If even 5 of the 13 things listed above are true, do you still think he should be giving the commencement address at this year’s graduation? I can tell you that from my own knowledge, from my friends in local media, the UVA police dep’t., and from what his own employees have told me – that at least 8 of them are true. The other 5 are hearsay, of course, but they are not exactly easy to dismiss as absurd either.
Should he still be honored after all that has happened this past semester?
Or is it perhaps time for him to get a head start selling cigarettes to teenagers?
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Sean, I was simply trying to help you make more acceptable arguments. Your use of heresay is a case in point. Let’s stick to the facts. I’m not debating against your position. I certainly don’t know enough about these matters to have a strong opinion. (Suspicions, perhaps, but that isn’t something I would share publicly.)
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Ha I surely won’t pretend the Honor System is some sacred instituation. My then girlfrind’s roommate took her credit card and racked up charges on it. This particular woman was not weatlhy but was heavily involved in prominent African American groups around grounds. My girlfriend ended up getting paid back, but the thief was never brought up on honor charges or prosecuted criminally although the UVa police and student honor members were made aware of it. Furthermore, my gf had still had to live with this woman for the last month of school! The single sanction only applies to poor, unconnected saps who cheat on midterms, I guess.
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After his discussion with Gov. McDonald about legislation to enact a law that would require the courts in other Virginia jurisdictions to inform the university of UVA students criminal convictions, Dr. Casteen said knowledge of Mr. Huguely’s arrest in Lexington would have, “….lit our system up.” More importantly, he also mentioned Mr. Huguely did not inform the university about his arrest or conviction. No kidding?
Is there policy on the books at the university regarding a student’s obligation to inform the university about an arrest or conviction? If there isn’t, wouldn’t it be more proactive of the university to add or change policy than it would be for our legislators to enact law?
With the exception of a few students, I doubt there would be much resistance to a policy that held a student accountable to inform the university, in a timely manner, of an arrest and or conviction as well as the consequences for not doing so.
It might even instill a little accountability in those insulated by a coach or team mates.
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Experienced Geezer,
There’s is an old test of logic that is called, if I remember correctly, reductio ad absurdum. Will we next suggest that should my neighbor commit a violent crime in another community I be informed? Should the church of a violent offender be informed? Will he or she only be allowed to shop in certain stores so that he or she can be monitored? Will we next confirm a patient’s criminal history before he or she is treated in a hospital’s emergency room. Should fights that occur on the playing field be documented in a student/athlete’s record? For that matter, shall we document instances of unkindness in the playground? Where do you propose we stop?
At some point we must acknowledge that it is not the legal system that failed Ms. Love but, likely, any number of people there at the university who did not adequately protect and advise her. The same will be said for the alleged killer. It’s clear that many people were aware of the sad and alarming incidents that we assume led to Ms. Love’s death. I am not casting blame. Judgment is left to the courts and God. I am, however, asking that we be honest about what can be reasonably done in these circumstances. It seems to me that Dr. Casteen’s call for new legislation misdirects our attention from the responsibilities, obligations, and powers of faculty, staff, and students at the University of Virginia.
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There are other universities in Virginia that would have severely punished Mr. Huguely early in his pattern of misconduct, to the point of expulsion at some schools. You might think highly of your system too, but it’s obviously busted as-is.
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seems like all the public comments from faculty and administrators is trying to excuse the U from any and all responsibility for the tradgic event that occurred. Also they are all trying to cover their own asses lest they be the subjects of a law suit. Get it? They perform a poor example of accepting responsibility for anything that does not make them look good.
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Maybe they did not know about the 2008 arrest but did they know about the time when the killer
attacked another teammate? Where is the so called honor code? Why was the killer allowed to
stay on the team after attacking another teammate? Is it the coaches fault for not telling
his boss?
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“Is there policy on the books at the university regarding a student’s obligation to inform the university about an arrest or conviction? If there isn’t, wouldn’t it be more proactive of the university to add or change policy than it would be for our legislators to enact law?”
THere is that exact policy in place. But if the offender doesn’t report it (as in this case) to University, how will they ever find out? Which is the whole point of what the new leglislation is trying to fix.
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Just another week at work for the UVA police..
DAILY REPORT #2009-273
10/01/2009
LARCENY � McLeod Hall Parking Garage 200901293/45
Reported theft from vehicle on lower level
RPT: 0759 10-01-09 OCC: 1830 09-30-09 to 0759 10-01-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
ASSIST AGENCY � University Avenue 200901294/20
Assisted Charlottesville Police Department with warrant service
RPT: 1030 10-01-09 OCC: 1011 10-01-09
CASE STATUS: Transferred
DIP � Scott Stadium 200901295/32
Arrest made
RPT: 1850 10-01-09 OCC: 1845 10-01-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
DIP � Scott Stadium 200901296/56
Arrest made
RPT: 2100 10-01-09 OCC: 1928 10-01-09 to 2054 10-01-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
DIP � Scott Stadium 200901297/57
Arrest made
RPT: 2010 10-01-09 OCC: 1952 10-01-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
DIP � Scott Stadium 200901298/32
Arrest made
RPT: 2020 10-01-09 OCC: 2020 10-01-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
LIQUOR LAW VIOLATION � Scott Stadium 200901299/32
Arrest made
RPT: 2140 10-01-09 OCC: 2100 10-01-09 to 2113 10-01-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
LIQUOR LAW VIOLATION � Scott Stadium 200901300/56
Arrest made
RPT: 0025 10-02-09 OCC: 2121 10-01-09 to 2208 10-01-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
LIQUOR LAW VIOLATION � Scott Stadium 200901301/32
Arrest made
RPT: 2210 10-01-09 OCC: 2115 10-01-09 to 2118 10-01-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
DIP � Scott Stadium 200901302/32
Arrest made
RPT: 2155 10-01-09 OCC: 2117 10-01-09 to 2118 10-01-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
DIP � Scott Stadium 200901303/56
Reported a possible drunk in public
RPT: 0900 10-02-09 OCC: 2228 10-01-09 to 2315 10-01-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
DIP � Scott Stadium 200901304/57
Arrest made
RPT: 2340 10-01-09 OCC: 2329 10-01-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
ASSIST AGENCY � Fitzhugh Dorm 200901305/57
Assisted Orange County Sheriff�s office with warrant service
RPT: 2350 10-01-09 OCC: 2311 10-01-09 to 2346 10-01-09
CASE STATUS: Transferred
DAILY REPORT #2009-274
10/02/2009
ASSIST CITIZEN � 1815 Stadium Road 200901306/46
Reported student needing medical assistance
RPT: 0239 10-02-09 OCC: 2330 10-01-09 to 0111 10-02-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
ASSIST CITIZEN � 212 Page Dorm 200901307/32
Reported student needing medical assistance
RPT: 0335 10-02-09 OCC: 0311 10-02-9 to 0330 10-02-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
DIP � 14th Street/University Avenue 200901308/62
Arrest made
RPT: 0242 10-03-09 OCC: 0149 10-03-09 to 0238 10-03-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
DAILY REPORT #2009-275
10/03/2009
DUI � Intersection Rugby Road/Grady Avenue 200901309/42
Arrest made
RPT: 0400 10-03-09 OCC: 0211 10-03-09 to 0229 10-03-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
LIQUOR LAW VIOLATION � 1400 Block University Avenue 200901310/62
Arrest made
RPT: 0346 10-03-09 OCC: 0322 10-03-09 to 0340 10-03-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
VANDALISM� 165 Rugby Road 200901311/56
Reported floors damaged
RPT: 1016 10-03-09 OCC: 0200 10-03-09 to 0900 10-03-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
TRESPASSING �Culbreth Theatre 200901312/23
Reported act of trespassing
RPT: 1700 10-03-09 OCC: 1700 10-03-09
CASE STATUS: Active
SUSPICIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES � Lane Rd 200901313/23
Reported a suspicious incident
RPT: 1942 10-03-09 OCC: 0930 10-03-09 to 1030 10-03-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
TRESPASSING/SUSPICIOUS CIRCUMSTANCE �Kellogg Dorm 200901314/64
Reported act of trespassing and suspicious circumstance involving bicycles
RPT: 2121 10-03-09 OCC: 1800 10-03-09 to1812 10-03-09
CASE STATUS: Active
DAILY REPORT #2009-276
10/04/2009
SIMPLE ASSAULT�UVA Hospital 200901315/65
Reported simple assault
RPT: 0620 10-04-09 OCC: 0535 10-04-09 to 0620 10-04-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
HIT AND RUN � 1210 Lee St. 200901316/63
Reported hit and run accident
RPT: 1630 10-04-09 OCC: 1630 10-04-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
FOUND PROPERTY �UVA Hospital 200901317/64
Reported wallet found and given back to owner
RPT: 2110 10-04-09 OCC: 2100 10-04-09 to 2110 10-04-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
DAILY REPORT #2009-277
10/05/2009
DIP �1702 University Avenue 200901318/41
Arrest made
RPT: 0330 10-05-09 OCC: 0209 10-05-09 to 0213 10-05-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
VANDALISM�2021 Ivy Road 200901319/51
Reported rear glass broken in vehicle
RPT: 1045 10-05-09 OCC: 0915 10-05-09 to 1040 10-05-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
PROPERTY LOST � UVA Hospital 200901320/22
Reported medication lost from room 7 West
RPT: 1900 10-05-09 OCC: 1300 10-05-09 to 1720 10-05-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
DIP � 1215 Lee Street 200901321/62
Arrest made
RPT: 2232 10-05-09 OCC: 2132 10-05-09 to 2232 10-05-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
DAILY REPORT #2009-278
10/06/2009
ASSIST AGENCY �1215 Lee Street 200901322/46
Assisted Albemarle County Police Department with warrant service
RPT: 0330 10-06-09 OCC: 0238 10-06-09 to 0320 10-6-09
CASE STATUS: Transferred
ASSIST CITIZEN � Rugby Road 200901323/39
Reported student needing medical assistance
RPT: 0400 10-06-09 OCC: 0200 10-06-09 to 0355 10-06-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
TRAFFIC ACCIDENT � 1101 Millmont Road 200901324/37
Reported vehicle backed into another vehicle
RPT: 1030 10-06-09 OCC: 1025 10-06-09
CASE STATUS: Active
SUSPICIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES � Neuro Surgical Clinical 200901325/64
Reported a suspicious incident
RPT: 1606 10-06-09 OCC: 1500 10-06-09 to 1515 10-06-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
DAILY REPORT #2009-279
10/07/2009
VANDALISM � Alumni Hall 200901326/37
Reported act of vandalism
RPT: 0905 10-07-09 OCC: 1700 10-02-09 to 0900 10-05-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
PROPERTY DAMAGE � A1 Parking Lot 200901327/28
Reported vehicle damage
RPT: 1003 10-07-09 OCC: 0900 10-05-09 to 1700 10-05-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
SUSPICIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES � UVA Hospital 200901328/68
Reported suspicious circumstance on 6 Central
RPT: 1630 10-07-09 OCC: 0800 10-07-09 to 0810 10-07-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
DRVING WHILE REVOKED � JPA at Shamrock Road 200901329/63
Arrest made
RPT: 2040 10-07-09 OCC: 1812 10-07-09
CASE STATUS: Cleared by Arrest
LOST PROPERTY � 409 McCormick Road 200901330/63
Reported backpack and contents lost
RPT: 2330 10-07-09 OCC: 2200 10-07-09 to 2230 10-07-09
CASE STATUS: Active
fyi, DIP = Drunk In Public.
As for “Reported student needing medical assistance” and the assaults….. well, gee – must be students from Washington & Lee, huh? Assuredly, Casteen was on the phone to all their school presidents the next morning – right? Does ANYONE honestly believe that Casteen EVER called ONE college and told them about a drunk in public arrest here?
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Have you ever read Ulysses? You remind me of a certain character in chapter 12…although I don’t know if you have a mean-looking dog with you.
Cheers
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Alex, you can’t debate a topic, or do anything much else but come on here as a coward under an assumed name and try to change the subject. The Ivy League made a good decision in rejecting you.
Note how UVA folks are now filling up the comment threads with comments about David Beckham, American Idol, articles from years ago. Graduation is this weekend, and all of UVA’s very dirty laundry the past year must be swept under the rug. Only Love’s murder is being exploited with a politically charged white ribbon campaign calling it “gender violence.” No such mention will be made regarding Morgan Harrington’s fate, and the SERP brother who died on Rugby Road will remain unknown to most everyone. As will Mr. Huguely’s fraternity, what was in his blood stream at the time, and who those people were on the west range of the lawn the delivery woman said were with Harrington the night she died.
There is no interest in having any of that known to anyone coming here this weekend. Students help the administration keep things quiet. The party must go on. NOTHING will change. The media and the police help too.
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copied from The Hook thread this afternoon. Casteen Claoking Device going full tilt at the court house..
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In-Town Journalist May 18th, 2010 | 3:08 pm
Trust me… we’re still pushing for any and all information about the Love (and for that matter the Harrington) stories, but are being blocked by police and prosecutors with zero interest in sharing those details and little to no legal leverage for us to do anything about it.
Witness today’s hearing about the secret order to seal *normally public* documents in the Love-Huguely matter… and a judge who is delaying any decision about the legality of it for another week.
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The single most damning institutional fact is that the Honor System failed. Failed badly. And what’s so much worse — and I apologize for saying it and it makes me sick in my stomach as a father of three daughters to say it — is that Ms. Love also failed to do her job as a student. Students knew that Huguely was violent. Students knew Huguely had assaulted Love. Love knew that Huguely was violent, first hand. The system in place to protect Love failed because several students with full knowledge chose not to do what they were under a contract to do. When UVA students pick and choose what they know and don’t know, see and don’t see, and report and don’t report, then we don’t have an Honor System — we have a sham. So where is the line, you might ask? The beers many of us had first year? The DWIs we got away with? The “other” ingested stuff? Bought papers? Bought outlines? The lifted paragraph? The “shared” exam?
Somehow, all the nibbling away at the fabric of the institution has left it inept at the things that matter most. Now, we will react and become something miles away from what we were meant to be and meant to have. As custodians of this ideal, however flawed in its execution over the centuries it may have been, we owed, and owe, UVA something more than what has happened here as students. The honor system (lower case now) is on trial with Huguely. It can only be vindicated by a real inquiry, the naming of names, and the trials of the students who knew and said/did nothing. Love, sadly, has already had the unfairest and brutal of ordeals and paid the ultimate sanction. It was a grotesque rendering of a deranged penalty. She did not deserve it; but would it have occurred if she had gone to the Honor Council? If she had placed the code of being a student at UVA over that of being an athlete? What if the young man Huguely beat in his sleep had gone to the Honor Council instead of taking it “in house” with a coach who is not a Wahoo, just a paid contractor?
To be sure: Love deserved to live. She deserved to graduate. She deserved to pursue her dreams. But all that was cut down by a monster that everyone around him — including the deceased — knew was roaming, raging and mauling.
UVA is on trial.
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So Theo will it be your daughters fault if it happens to one of them?
Just what was Ms Love suppose to do?
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Theo, you describe the university’s honor system as a kind of “Statsi” informant system. Surely that’s not the ideal. Would you please elaborate so that we can better understand it?
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Theo,
I appreciate your dismay for what has become of your Alma Mater. 100 or even 50 years ago, a student’s honor was his foremost worldly possession. That is a long way from the case now. It has been completely transplanted by arrogance, elitism, and a presumption of entitlement that I think would shock most anyone not from around here. The culture at UVA now is one of getting drunk, getting high, and getting laid. It is the accepted rule on Grounds that whatever happens between 10 pm and 4 am is fair game, and that nobody should rain on the overall party by complaining if something occasionally happens that is “not cool.” Most can’t recall it the next day anyway. This is not all encompassing, but it is particularly popular in the very large greek system.
The Honor code deals with lying, cheating, and stealing. It does not specifically deal with violence, drunkenness, or illegal drug use. Indeed, as Susan R has been reminding people on these threads for months now – it does not at all include sexual assault or rape either.
I learned this the hard way myself, when I went to an Honor Committee member back in 2008 about a situation wherein a group a girls on Rugby Road did something to my then girlfriend that was a heinous and evil as could be, and after I dared complain about it my computer was hacked into. Following her very nearly successful suicide attempt a few weeks later where she was narrowly revived in the ICU at UVA hospital, I also went to a counselor at the womens center. I was ignored, told not to speak of it again, and even told I was not welcome to contact them anymore. As with the dozens of sexual assaults that Susan has highlighted in one year alone at UVA – nobody in our case had lied to a professor, cheated on a test, or stole a laptop.
Theo, if illegal drug use, violent fights, abortions, coerced abortions, emotional and physical abuse, threats, and being blackout drunk were suddenly considered by anyone as being honor offenses – the UVA student body would pretty much vanish overnight, and the university would be almost empty. Not everybody participates in this culture, but pretty much everyone knows of people and events like you describe. They are NOT considered to be honor code violations.
This culture has been protected for 20 years by John Casteen. He is the one who has orchestrated the entire policy from Carr’s Hill that enabled it, and protects it from media coverage or legal entanglements as much as possible. Details in the case of a missing young woman in danger were suppressed. Evidence in a murder investigation was suppressed. Details in a 21 year old fraternity student dropping dead 6 weeks ago have been suppressed. Most local media didn’t even cover his passing AT ALL. There’s a reason for that, yet he is still giving the commencement speech in a few days!
And now, as we speak, documents have been sealed in the Huguely/Love case base on a “secret” request that the defense team says it has nothing to do with.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/from-the-courthouse/court-battle-over-sealed-recor.html
The point here is that any and all negative repercussions from what happens at UVA between 10 pm and 4 am have to be made to vanish, no matter if it results in three dead students. And the folks on Carr’s Hill have proven to be very adept at seeing to that. The reputation of the university comes first, and last, and NOTHING changes ever. It’s been going on for 20 years. And yes, they have the full support and cooperation of the vast majority of the student population in these endeavors. NOBODY steps out of line and dares, say, ID themselves as the ones spotted on the lawn at 4 am with a woman matching Harrington’s description the night she vanished. NOBODY comes forward to so much as even identify Huguely’s fraternity – no less describe the incident there some weeks back. NOBODY dares talk about what the SERP brother was doing in the hours before his tragic death.
By the way, Casteen is also the guy who brought in house abortions to UVA hospital and covers them up under routine OB/GYN procedures. And there have been many thousands of them. Nobody can remember the last time a UVA student let her pregnancy continue until she showed.
Any and all repercussions, like I said.
I know that is a wedge issue and that not everybody agrees. But what he is up to RIGHT NOW in Charlottesville District Court is every bit as heinous as his refusal to sign the VT president’s Letter of Condolence for Morgan Harrington after what was left of her was found on a farm that used to feature UVA frat parties..
Casteen & company are making very sure that nobody knows what was in the bloodstream of Mr. Huguely or the frat guy who dropped dead 6 weeks ago. They are instead politically spinning the Love tragedy as exclusively a matter of “gender violence” instead. Morgan Harrington need not apply for same. She was just a Hokie anyway..
Theo, I need to repeat to you what a UVA student said to me a few weeks ago when the issue of Harrington came up in a conversation at a Happy Hour get together. It speaks volumes as to what your Alma Mater really thinks regarding these issues, and what has become of it.
“She obviously didn’t know how to party. She came up here looking for trouble at some stupid metal concert, and she found it. Fuck her.”
There are some really good, honorable kids at UVA, Theo. My room mate, the chief of this paper, and a few others I socialize with are good examples of that. But they are not the ones running the show here now. The culture is as rotten as could be. Unfortunately, Mr. Casteen looks like he’ll be getting out of here before much of what lies beneath does (ever?) see the light of day, and start his new career selling cigarettes to teenagers.
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“Theo, if illegal drug use, violent fights, abortions, coerced abortions, emotional and physical abuse, threats, and being blackout drunk were suddenly considered by anyone as being honor offenses – the UVA student body would pretty much vanish overnight, and the university would be almost empty.”
This statement make me sick. This is not the UVa community I was a part of and lived among for 4 great years.
“Theo, I need to repeat to you what a UVA student said to me a few weeks ago when the issue of Harrington came up in a conversation at a Happy Hour get together. It speaks volumes as to what your Alma Mater really thinks regarding these issues, and what has become of it.
‘She obviously didn’t know how to party. She came up here looking for trouble at some stupid metal concert, and she found it. Fuck her.’”
Anyone who would make such a statement about Harrington’s tragic death is a horrible and despicable person. In fact, I find it hard to believe that anyone would say such a thing in public, even if they really felt it to be accurate. Either way, for you to try to take this one quote and use it to portray the whole student body is beyond absurd.
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Brian,
I doubt even you think my observations are all that shocking, unless you went here 20+ years ago. I don’t get any argument whatsoever when I talk to the students I live with, hang out with, date, whatever. It’s common knowledge.
“thanks” so much for your kind words expressing sympathy for what happened to my then girlfriend. Oh, wait.. You had none.
See what I mean? It’s just one more thing that needs to be kept under wraps, right? Just like the sealed documents in the Huguely case, sealed via a secret request itself sealed by a “judge.”
fyi, she was a transfer from a school that had no Greek System far away. She was likewise revolted and could simply not believe what went on around here – and couldn’t wait to graduate and get the hell out.
There are plenty of students feeling the exact same way right now. Sunday can’t come soon enough for the residents of the lawn where the Harrington sighting at 4 am was reported, or Huguely’s frat brothers, the friends of the deceased students – who are all keeping their mouths shut. Lots and lots of who knew and know far more than even Casteen does.
And that goes especially for the King Creep of them all that they will be giving a very appreciative standing ovation to on Sunday. The guy who has been enabling and protecting it all.
As for the gal who said that about Harrington, she was just voicing what so many others think. Not publicly mind you, but amongst each other. Just another “uncool” thing that happened late at night at UVA – but certainly no reason to break the Code of Silence, and ruin the party for everyone. She said it amongst a group of other students at a happy hour event. Nobody reacted at all negatively to her comments. They just casually took another sip of their drinks. I walked away.
Maybe you haven’t been here in a long time. There is ZERO enthusiasm here and now to find out or know anything more about Harrington, or any other of the tragic, needless death that has defined this place this academic year. Come here yourself and bring it up to one of them, and hear for yourself. But I have a feeling that the rest of the country will not share the same case of instant, hushed, collective amnesia regarding what happened here during the Class of 2010′s final year..
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Sean, I like your posts. They really get things going on any forum you post on.
But I have to ask: is all of your anger at UVa actually related to the “abortion controversy”?
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Take up the hatchet,” defiantly ordered lord dunmore, the last legitimate governor of virginia, “violence wins.” the pounding of the war drums on the mohawk, land of lacrosse, echo to eternity. how many phony cavaliers, pretty boys in uniform, and female liberal law enforcement members of the local fraternal order of police, were surprised when the stupid brains of an unsubmissive beauty lay dashed along with her delusional hopes for peace in good sport?
Vengence is mine and vive le frontier “great spirit” justice in the backwoods of america
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Its nobody’s business if i get arrested or what for. and if asked, i will just lie. and i won’t tell the cops that i am a student, so they won’t be able to report me to the university. so F the university and its dumb ideas!!!
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