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Student Council should not have included Clark in Monday’s debate at the expense of losing Hurt

Student Council hosted a debate Monday between Democratic incumbent Rep. Tom Perriello and independent Tea Party candidate Jeffrey Clark. Noticeably absent was Republican state Sen. Robert Hurt. Hurt's campaign manager, Sean Harrison, publicly stated months ago that Robert Hurt would be willing to debate Perriello "one on one, any time, any place." The obvious implication was made clear to all applicable organizations, from the Sorensen Institute to the League of Women Voters to the University's Student Council: Hurt would not debate Clark. In my opinion, this campaign policy was made for a number of well-thought-out reasons. I would be downright dishonest if I ignored the campaign calculus stemming from the fact that nearly all of Clark's supporters favor Hurt over Perriello. It is true that the self-declared Tea Party independent candidate draws nearly all of his support from Hurt's "Right Flank," so to speak. But a much more compelling reason for refusing to debate the independent is that Clark is a distraction, especially this late in the game. Hurt already won the contentious seven-way Republican primary in June, which - by my own count - had a minimum of four far-right Tea Party candidates: Ron Ferrin, Mike McPadden, Jim McKelvey, and Feda Morton. That was the right time for third-party views. A week before the election in a two-party system like ours, an independent polling at far below 10 percent is, for better or worse, an inconsequential voice as far as the election is concerned. Including such a voice in a debate now only takes time away from deciding who the better candidate is of those with a chance at victory. This leads to the question of why Clark was included in the debate in the first place, if it meant losing a major candidate in Hurt.

The simple answer is that we can blame the University's lawyers. When Council's Legislative Affairs Committee was planning the debate, the staff litigators at the University advised the Committee that they were required to invite the independent candidate to the debate. The explanation given was that the University could be legally liable if it excluded someone who is on the ballot. This was and is - for lack of a better word - bogus. From a constitutional standpoint, the First Amendment gives Clark the right to speak, but it does not force others to listen nor does it make them give him a podium. Indeed, the policies of the League of Women Voters show quite clearly that there is no legal liability if a standard measure of "Candidate Significance" is set in place in this situation. The accepted standard LWV promotes is that one must be polling at a minimum of 10-15 percent to be considered for an invitation to debates. Clark, who is polling at 1-4 percent depending on your poll du jour, does not even come close to this standard. Furthermore, the University's Sorensen Institute successfully hosted a debate Oct. 21 in Danville, Virginia, between only the two "significant candidates," as has every other host organization during the general election. If the Sorensen Institute here at the University can host an exclusive debate, then there is nothing logically stopping Council from doing the same. Clearly the University lawyers did not give the best advice to the Legislative Affairs Committee.

As much as I love to rail against lawyers, I cannot give them all the credit. The Legislative Affairs Committee is not an innocent victim in all this. Knowing where everyone stood weeks ahead of time, the Committee decided to continue to plan and execute a partisan event at our University with the University footing the bill. Council put on a debate that only advances the interests of Perriello at the expense of the voters. Instead of changing the format to be more inclusive or canceling the event altogether, Council gave only the Democrat a podium from which to preach. The participation of independent candidate Clark may have brought a right-of-center perspective to the event, but it did not provide a second side to the discussion as far as the election, the reason for holding the debate, is concerned. As previously stated, it is a point of fact that any limited gains that Clark will get through participation in the debate will directly harm the election chances of Hurt by sapping votes from his candidacy. No matter how you slice it, this event uses a façade of non-partisanship to aid only Perriello. Although many may not mind their tuition and tax dollars going to what amounts to a candidate's rally, I do. The biased political effect of this event, purposeful or accidental, could have easily been avoided.

Joel Taubman is a second-year Engineering student.


Published October 27, 2010 in Opinion

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hsr0601
(10/27/10 6:38am)
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It's well known that democracy & technology shape the future of a nation. \nLet's give Democrats a chance to make headway. \n? \nThe former President Bill Clinton said "It took me four years to balance the budget, then I gave you four surpluses, paid $600 billion down on the national debt," \n \nAnd I'd say : It took 8 years for the Bush mishandling to get a final verdict. \nLet's not fall for the outrageous claim : Heal the 8 year-long chronic disease quickly, but do not see a doctor, adding to the deficit. \n? \nI do believe strongly that the nope or tea party, the insane group, are set to wreck a havoc on America.


hsr0601
(10/27/10 6:39am)
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Title : A businessman is angry at his lost cash bag. \n? \nA businessman is drowning in the ocean. \n? \nStimulus : we should rescue him immediately. \n? \nPower first : Nope ! How do we pay for it ?, Just let him go under much like Lehman Brothers. \n? \nStimulus : He is dying right now. \n? \nPower first : Nope ! You can't save his money bag. \n? \nStimulus ( clock is ticking ) : : We can do everything. \n? \nGo under : We are serious about jobs. Where are jobs ?, echoed by the angry businessman. \n? \nEquation : \n? \nDepression : New Deal = Great Recession : Stimulus Package (Groundwork) + Incomplete Energy Independence or A Jobs law \nThe Problem = The destructive war & military waste + Stimulus Package \nTherefore = Incomplete Energy Independence or A Jobs law - The destructive war & military waste \n Criticism = Stimulus Package (Groundwork) \n Conclusion = Gambling on Iraq Oil + weapon sell Again + Double-dip Depression \n Cure = Slashing the destructive war & military waste + Completion of Energy Independence or A Jobs law \n? \nAnger at These : \n? \nGambling on Iraq Oil Again : A Drop in the Bucket Vs. Growing Population & Demand World-wide. The Age of Cheap Oil = A Thing of the Past. \n? \n1. At this time, it looks like the oil-friendly country is gambling on Iraq oil again, citing a big government & deficit, and therefore the world-wide stimulus package worth trillions and health care reform in America are now at stake. \n? \n2. Of the money by the money for the money is getting a society nowhere near prosperity. \nGambling on party of "no idea" is sure to be much like Throwing an Egg of Economy Against a Rock. \n? \nThe outcome of government take-over : \n? \n1. In banking industry, the result of government take-over is big bonus parties backed by the tax-payer's invaluable cash. \n? \n2. In healcare reform, the outcome of government take-over is to dump ill children when needed most. \n? \n3. In oil spill, the administration should be held responsible for its deregulation, urging a big government \n? \nChanting deficit : \n? \n1. Amid chanting deficit, the same old failed policy. \n? \n2. Amid chanting deficit, hands-off approach over huge trade deficit from oil money spill & trade imbalance with China from remorseless health care premium. \n? \n3. Unfortunately, as a direct consequence of remorseless health care premium, numerous folks have no choice but to hang onto affordable offerings, since one in two households is said to face a hard decision between necessity & drug. \n? \n4. Inaction cost in relation to health care reform totals $9trillion over the next decade. \n? \n5. Over the next 10 years, total Bush tax cut costs will equal $3.9 trillion, .... the tax cuts would increase deficits by nearly $4 trillion between 2005 and 2014. \n? \nThe most critical debt : Personal Bankruptcy \n? \n1. The current recession came from Personal Bankruptcy largely as a consequence of the relentless health care costs, pain at the pump, and the subsequent subprime mortgage crisis. \n? \nFacing huge trade deficit from oil money spill & trade imbalance with China, the primary economic policy of previous administration was " spending baby "to the great delight of republicans' sponsors. \n? \n2. By comparison, the recovered stock market value alone, around $1.5 trillion, is nearly twice as much as the stimulus package, set aside all the other benefits. \n? \nAs always, the republicans and unqualified media let folks locked in a box. ruling out the positive effects. \n? \n? \nThe most promising deficit-cut of government : Slashing the destructive war & military waste \n? \n1. Slashing the destructive war & military waste alone supposedly could be enough to balance the budget. \n? \n? \nEnergy Independence : The Only Way to Desperately-Needed Job Growth \n? \n1. My response to the question : where are jobs ? \nIn the trade deficit, exactly in the severe and persistent oil money spill, taboo of " do not add to the deficit" party. \n? \n2. Under the existing Bush tax cut for lavish bonus parties, a sole job plan for the republicans, the country already saw millions of job cuts.


Seth Kaye
(10/27/10 10:48am)
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Hurt hurt himself by not showing up - pun intended. If he is that concerned about winning over the Tea votes, he should have engaged them head on instead of cowering out of the debate. Further, he would have had a better chance of "winning" the debate if he and Clark have similar views in opposition to Perriello - and he would also have a chance to differentiate himself from Clark. It would have been very interesting to the the complete spectrum if they had all shown up. If anyone is to blame, it was the Hurt campaign for losing out on an opportunity to educate the voters, not Studco's fault - they made the offer, he turned them down. I also think it would be a loss for the University to exclude a viewpoint from being heard. We are here to learn and think - and that means considering all views, even if they are polling below 10%. In a market place of ideas, or a political debate, the best ideas will rise to the top. Hurt decided not to participate in the market and I think his silence and lack of interest in legitimate discourse speaks volumes about him as a candidate.


Mike
(10/27/10 11:44am)
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Joel,

While you mention it, you seem to brush aside the fact that Hurt is the one who denied the invitation and decided to exclude himself from this debate. If he doesn't want to participate in a debate against Perriello, that's fine, but it's his fault for giving "only the Democrat a podium from which to preach," and something that you should hold him accountable for, not Student Council or the University. It reflects poorly on Hurt that he would decline to participate in this democratic forum, and he clearly missed a great chance to reach a number of UVa students.

You essentially want to negotiate with terrorists. You're saying everyone should pander to Hurt's unreasonable demands, and because Student Council has the balls to say "too bad" to him, they are reprehensible.

You're right, this "biased event" (one with a left-of-center candidate debating a right-of-center candidate...) could have all been easily avoided -- if Hurt had manned up and debated like he should have.

As a recent alum, I find this kind of rigid adherence to a two-party system disturbing, especially because you belittle the only conservative candidate who was willing to debate Perriello the other night.

Mike


Person
(10/27/10 3:26pm)
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Joel,

You really cannot claim to be a true conservative, one that defends liberty, freedom, the constitution, democracy, and the constitutional republic. You can only claim to be a RepubliCON, one that promotes big government, imperialism, nation building, and further empowerment of the corporate elite. You have no respect for American Sovereignty or Democracy, and that is evident.

You are a NEOCON, not a conservative. The difference can be summed up rather succinctly by analyzing "ends" vs. "means". I, as a true conservative, always value the "means". I believe in strictly following the constitution, having a democratic system (in which we invite all candidates), and let the result "the ends" play out as it may. It is not for me to determine what the result is. No "ends" ever justifies anti-constitutional "means" (example: Patriot Act)

You on the other hand, value the "ends". You believe that because, in your opinion, the end result was a biased event, that we should therefore alter the means (even if it goes against the constitution) to achieve a desired end result. That is not conservatism; that's a false brand called NeoConservatism which has no respect for the constitution or democracy, but tremendous respect for imperialism, authoritarianism, and the welfare state.


Joel Taubman
(10/27/10 5:42pm)
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There were a number of dissenters who I will respond to in turn. I would first like to note that I did not talk about my opinions on a single policy issue. In fact, the closest issue that I approached was the 1st amendment, which I approached using the spirit and letter of the Bill of Rights.

To HSR, a comment thread on an article talking about the semantics of a debate is hardly the place to lay out one's personal manifesto for solving our nations problems. The post is frankly not relevant to my Op-Ed.

To Seth, the Policy of the Hurt Campaign to only debate Perriello one on one was set months ago before the earliest planning stages of any debate. StudCo knew exactly what it was getting into before it sent the invitations for the debate. They in fact did not want to invite Clark but were forced to by the UVA lawyers as pointed out in my Op-Ed. I agree that the University should be an open forum for all ideas. But there is a time and a place for open discourse and then there is a time where Politicians are campaigning. The debate at UVA last year during the 7 way republican primary was the former, the debate on Monday was the latter.

To Mike, you ignore three recent debates that occurred between Hurt and Perriello. As I stated in my piece, Hurt's campaign manager offered to debate Perriello 'one on one, any time, any place.' Clearly he is more than willing to debate the Democratic Incumbent. \nI fault StudCo because its initial attempt was ostensibly to host an unbiased debate between Hurt and Perriello. The moment they realized that the UVA lawyers would not allow this, they should have dropped the entire forum. \nAs for me 'negotiat[ing] with terrorists,' I would find this laughable if it didn't belittle the victims of terror and the work of our servicemen and women fighting terrorists and radicals overseas. The Hurt Campaign's unreasonable demand consists of saying that he will break from his campaign schedule only for one on one debates with his real opponent on the other side of the spectrum (having already defeated a half dozen right of center candidates by a stunning margin). Truly a demand worthy of terror groups from Hezbollah to Al Qaida.

To Person (if that is your real name), I detest a personal attack on my character and philosophical beliefs based on an Op-Ed meant to excoriate uninformed and possibly biased actions carried out by UVA legal staff and StudCo. Since you believe it is proper to make assumptions about me, I can do the same about you. Your understanding of conservatism as a movement is extremely narrow following only beliefs that are a mix of Constitutional Conservatism and full on Libertarianism (the latter detest the term conservative). You happen to ignore social Conservatism, the history of the Anti-Communists, Fusionism, and the heart of the pragmatic Burkian tradition.\nI will respond to only one of your claims since it most displays the faults in your entire line of reasoning. I strictly follow the Constitution regularly referencing the one in my pocket (for those reading along, yes, I am that nerdy). The 1st amendment states that "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech." Using the modern interpretation of this 'Congress shall make no law' section, the following conclusion is reached. The Constitution says that I cannot stop Jeffrey Clark from speaking. No where does it say that I must give him a podium just because he can get a few hundred signatures. An educated Constitutional Conservative would never make such an argument on Constitutionality.\nI will not waste my time shooting down each of the false assumptions you make about my belief. That is not worth my time and writing them was not worth yours.


Mike
(10/27/10 6:16pm)
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Joel,

Surely you must realize that the Constitution is not the only governing law in this country. As a "conservative," you know that we also have state, county, and municipal laws. Of course it is Constitutional to not invite Clark. Nobody is arguing that it isn't.

I'll be the first to admit that I am not familiar with all the intricacies of Virginia statutory law and administrative regulations regarding precisely what state money can and cannot fund. However, the issue for this debate is whether a public institution can, with public funds, host a political debate and then pick-and-choose among the candidates. Do you not see the problem with UVa (essentially, an extension of the state) not inviting a candidate who is legitimately listed on the ballot? Do we really want our states using public money to endorse some candidates to the exclusion of others?

I understand that this may not be covered in Sabato's politics class, but there really is a bigger picture here that you just aren't seeing.

Mike


Person
(10/27/10 7:46pm)
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You took that as a personal attack? Please show me where the personal attack is? I just called for you what you are, a neoconservative. You've written into the Cav Daily enough for me to understand your ideology. Maybe it's that you don't want to admit that you're a NeoCon?

You are a corporate republican, one that clearly favors the ESTABLISHMENT. I'm a Ron Paul disciple. I believe in anti-establishment thinking and I believe in exposing the neoconservatives for what they are - Statists, federalists, socially conservative, anti-American Sovereignty, nation builders, and imperialists set to destroy this beautiful country I will not back down and will call NeoCons out whenever possible. I encourage you to investigate Ron Paul and see what real conservatism is all about.


Wahoo
(10/27/10 8:03pm)
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Frankly Mike, whether your arguments had any validity is truly a moot point. Once the personal insults were slung, all intellectual debate ended as far as I'm concerned. If you feel the need to resort to insults, that just reveals how strong of an argument you have.

Your Larry Sabato comment was way off base. I would have hoped that your time at this University would have given you an appreciation for a free exchange of ideas, not insults.


Sean
(10/27/10 9:10pm)
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Hurt and Perriello debated one on one at the other state funded college in town just last week. I doubt Clark was invited as he was not there. The tactic of Hurt not showing because another candidate on the ballot might be there should be embarrassing to him. Maybe we should make it tougher to get on a ballot (triple the # of signatures perhaps), but deciding that you won't debate other candidates is undemocratic if you ask me.

Having said that, I'm sure UVA would have done everything it could to prevent a Green party candidate from being included in a debate and siphon votes from their boy Perriello.


Joel Taubman
(10/27/10 11:51pm)
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This will be my last post and then I have to go be an Engineering student and do work.

To Mike, Person uses the Constitutionality argument and I attempted to refute that in my response to him/her. \nYour second point clearly ignores what I wrote in this article about the League of Women Voters. There is however a better example. In the major debates leading up to the Presidential elections, third parties are not given podiums. Groups like CNN clearly don't say 'No Green Candidates Allowed.' They say that if you cannot scrounge 10% then you are wasting our time and the time of the voters. These voices can and should have their time in the spotlight. But the endgame in national elections is clearly not the right time. Your legality arguments are also addressed in the Op-Ed.\nI have never attended a class with Sabato. Being an Engineer, I spend my academic time fostering skills that will lead to a productive career. This stuff is just what I do for fun in an attempt to be a responsible and informed citizen.

To Person, I was raised in the US. This is my home. My loyalty to the US is paramount. My love of the freedoms given to me is only exceeded by my desire to fulfill the responsibilities required to maintain such freedoms. Yet you make comments such as this: "You have no respect for American Sovereignty or Democracy, and that is evident." You say such things about me and then are confused when I feel personally attacked. How would you react, my well pegged Constitutional Libertarian, if I said this to you. \nAs you can probably see, I have a problem with you and your denigrating tone. My biggest problem is your universal declaration of a small subset of Conservatism as the only 'True Conservatism.' I personally classify myself (if I am forced to) as a fusionist with slightly more libertarian leaning social policy and influence from the second generation Neo-Conservatives (who are plainly not NeoCons according to the definition from the 60s and 70s that you describe). \nYou have attributed positions on subjects such as the patriot act to me without even knowing what my opinion is on such subjects. This is either a lazy man's research (aka guessing) and/or a faulty assumption that people can be classified into entirely uniform groups. The reality is a far more complicated world. Once again, I will not waste my time going through every position that you claim I espouse.\nI will end by noting that I know a great deal more about the positions of Ron Paul than you give me credit. You assume that just by reading such positions I will agree with their premise. This is not true. For example, the watch guard defense force espoused by Libertarians cannot practically respond to the challenges of our enemies in today's world. To have such a force at the levels recommended by men like Ron Paul means abandoning our allies and showing excessive weakness in the face of bullies and enemies around the globe. Freedom is something that must be fought for.


Mike
(10/28/10 12:53am)
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Joel,

Federal and Virginia state laws govern Virginia public institutions, not whatever the League of Women Voters says. The University of Virginia, as an IRS sec. 501(c)(3) tax-exempt non-profit corporation, is prohibited from inviting a candidate to speak as a candidate at an event, even an "educational" event, without offering all other candidates the chance for equal participation. IRS FS-2006-17 (2007).

I am assuming that UVa decided to play it safe and invite all candidates, rather than potentially getting involved with serious issues of interpreting the federal tax code. Political advocacy groups, no matter how well respected, don't set legal precedent. The LWV guidelines are irrelevant here.

With regard to CNN, they are a private-sector company and are allowed under FCC regulations (since 1983) to cover as "news events" debates that they themselves do not host. When covering a "news event" (such as a debate), the equal-time requirement does not apply. They are not held to the same standard as a public institution.

Mike



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