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As minutes melted into seconds and the final box score became increasingly etched in stone, thousands of fans in Scott Stadium jumped to their feet and began to jockey for position, eager to stay a step ahead of the rest of the crowd as the inevitable rush began.

They left their game programs, their funnel cake plates and even a few pairs of Ray-Ban knockoffs on the ground behind them - a small price to pay for securing a coveted position at the front of the stampede. All the RMC Events rent-a-cops in the world couldn't have stopped it - even the words of the public address announcer went unheeded.

Virginia fans fled to the exits en masse after cornerback David Amerson's interception return put N.C. State up 28-14 with six minutes and change left in a game in which three touchdown drives took a combined 31 seconds.

They moved with an urgency almost identical to when they flooded the field after the Cavaliers knocked off then-No. 12 Georgia Tech last weekend. The message they sent to Virginia's players and coaches, however, could not have been more different.

"Yeah, I was walking back to the sidelines; I saw the fans walking out," quarterback David Watford said. "Hey, that's their choice, [but] we still had the opportunity to win the game."

Incredibly, the miserable migration could have been even worse. A paltry crowd of 46,030 attended the game - less than 75 percent of Scott Stadium's 61,500 capacity and fewer than the 47,692 who celebrated slaying the Georgia Tech goliath last week.

"I didn't notice what happened in the stands," coach Mike London said politically after the game. "I'm worried about what's happening on the field. We can't control what happens in the stands."

Coach London and Co. can't simply flip a switch and transform the crowds into a Scott Stadium-sized edition of Cameron Crazies, but the coaches and players undoubtedly expected and certainly deserved better from a fanbase so starved for signature wins that it apparently can no longer even recognize when one smacks it right in the face. The dismal display by a fanbase already characterized as unfaithful and apathetic was damning on a number of accounts.

Entering a winnable ACC matchup against the Wolfpack, Virginia passed the "what-have-you-done-for-me-lately" test with flying colors. The Cavaliers boasted a 4-2 record, their best start since beginning the 2007 season 7-1.

As highlights of students storming the field after upsetting of the Yellow Jackets quickly became a "SportsCenter" staple Saturday night, even people who couldn't tell a pigskin from a bowling pin could tell you that the entire school was on a collective football high. With tough tests against Miami, Florida State and Virginia Tech still to come, a win against the Wolfpack - another borderline bowl team in the ACC - was one of Virginia's best chances to lower its magic number for postseason eligibility.

"You'd hope that in any program you'd have a lot of fan support from the people you call fans," quarterback Michael Rocco said. "We try not to notice it, but it does have an effect, just seeing the fans go. But ... we've still got to play football and we want to win just as bad as the fans want to win."

Among the Virginia players, Rocco was hardly going rogue by voicing his frustrations at the demonstrated lack of fan faith for a team which mere days ago gave many of them - myself included - the thrill of their four years at U.Va. by beating Georgia Tech and exorcising any lingering demons from the tail end of Al Groh's Cavalier coaching tenure. Linebacker and leading tackler Steve Greer stressed, "You gotta try not to notice that," but he conceded that he felt the team deserved better fan support. Watford expressed similar sentiments: "I think we have [earned better fan support], but we have to continue to win. That's how we're going to get more fan support. You want to have the fans that stick with you through thick and thin, good and bad. But I just want to win. As long as we continue to win I know we'll have the fan support."

After throwing three interceptions against the Wolfpack, Watford stressed that he and the team need to "have a short memory" as they try to rebound from such a deflating encore effort.\nIf Watford wants a crash course in amnesia, however, he need not look further than Virginia's own fans, as students and alumni alike showed it in bunches when they streamed to bars or their cars one week after they reveled in a field-storming success.

"People want to feel good about the program, and we will," London said. "These are tremendous learning pains. Coming off the euphoria of a really good game, and then you see how devastating turnovers can be."

London has emphasized the importance of changing the culture and perception of Virginia football, and he admitted as much after last week's homecoming win, which even the team's harshest critics termed a seminal step in the right direction.

But Saturday's sorry showing - not necessarily on the field, but certainly off the field by the fans - means that London's last two weeks of potential program rebuilding may simply have been a case of one step forward, two steps back. If the Cavaliers don't go bowling for a fourth consecutive season, this will be the game Virginia fans remember as the one that got away - assuming they care enough to even remember it at all.


Published October 24, 2011 in Sports

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Charles Thompson
(10/24/11 1:16pm)
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Of course fans are apethetic. They see little improvement and player mistakes and questionable coaching decisions that even novice football fans can recognize. If the players are interested in filling the stands, stop making mistakes, stop this crazy qb rotation, don't throw the ball 10 times without one running play when that is the strength of the team. And the players need to quit worring about the stands and play fundimental football mistake free, and then fans may stay till the end, even if losing.


2012 Hoo
(10/24/11 4:26pm)
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The fans leave/are frustrated because they see what the team is capable of, but, for whatever reason, is seldom able to achieve: big, convincing wins. Fans have seen it before in London's first year. The Hoos pull out an impressive and surprising upset, only to never show that level of performance for the rest of the season. The mental errors and overly-cautious tactics of Saturday's loss were frustratingly reminiscent of the beginnings of that end-of-season skid last year, and fans have not forgotten. For better or for worse (mainly worse), our fans will be fair weather fans until consistency is achieved, and Saturday was a failure to capitalize on a chance to step in that direction.


Neil
(10/24/11 4:44pm)
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Young alum here - to the writer: It's easy to question attendance from your perch, because for you admission is free and travel is no more than a short walk from your dorm or apartment. For the 75% of the fans who don't hold a student ID, however, we're asked to pay $50 a ticket, plus the time and associated travel costs (gas, food, lodging) that accompany a given game day. It's a significant investment in time and resources for a lot of people these days. It's hard to give up a couple hundred dollars and a day off from work or being at home with the family when you know, per recent history, that odds are that you'll be going home disappointed.


David
(10/24/11 5:00pm)
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It was very disappointing for sure. Unfortunately after the euphoria of the GT victory, it appears that we will struggle to make a bowl once again. You mention tough games ahead with Miami, FSU and Virginia Tech, but left off Duke. Heck, we defeated Miami last year, but have three game losing streak to the Blue Devils.


Brian
(10/24/11 5:25pm)
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Let's stop damning our fans and start focusing at what's happening on the field. Just as a program is not built overnight, neither is a strong, supportive fan base.

Look, I get it. We want a crowd of 63,000 in a stadium built for 61,500 for every game. There are tremendous benefits to having a uproarious crowd.

But let's not forget that GOOD FOOTBALL leads to GOOD FANS. This isn't a chicken-and-egg situation. We know what comes first. The win two weekends ago was nothing short of fantastic, and something I want to see out of the Hoos week in, week out. But one great win does not undo seasons' worth of disappointment. I traveled for both the Georgia Tech and NC State game, and will be there again for the Duke game, but until we're past the stage of "Gee, I hope we go bowling this year," I'm afraid we're all going to have to learn to live with a weak home crowd.

Let's focus less on the number of people in the stands and more on what's happening on the field. I guarantee you that when we build a TRADITION of winning as opposed to an annual "signature win," the crowds will be back in Scott Stadium before you know it.

As always, go Hoos.


Rich
(10/24/11 5:40pm)
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This article is ridiculous. It's ironic because Virginia fans remember all too well the familiar stench of Virginia giving up on the chance to take victory - that is why we file out on cue when it wafts our way, not because we forget or don't care about solid wins in the past, i.e. last week's victory, or the two great FSU triumphs in the past 2 decades for that matter. Last week is just that, last week, and every sports writer knows that about college athletics. Get a clue Welsh. Has anyone here ever left that stadium early and regretted the decision? The fan base will change when Virginia gives them a reason to. One last point: Cameron Crazies weren't forged in the furnace of defeat and agony. Fans like that gather only after years and years of consistency, talent, and championships.


Rory
(10/24/11 6:00pm)
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1. Why are you attacking the fans? The fans who still go to the games are the diehards. We are the ones who support the program with donations and ticket revenue, even after Groh was kept around far too long, the reseating disgrace (ask an alum), the Quarterback merry go round that this season has shown us so much of. We have lost 14 of our last 16 conference games. We have lost 7 in a row to Va Tech. All season ticket holders should get thank you notes as far as I'm concerned. Not too many ACC programs would still draw near 50K for a game like this with the losing seasons we have had. Duke, the powerhouse football program who has beaten us 3 years in a row don't you forget, draws about 15K, for example.

2. As for leaving early, did you watch the VPI-Clemson game a few weeks back? That placed emptied out with 5 minutes left. It happens everywhere. Not everyone is gonna stick around to see their team play the last 2 minutes of a game long lost, especially if they have to drive 3 hours home. Especially if their offense looks like my high school JV team.

3. "If Watford wants a crash course in amnesia, however, he need not look further than Virginia’s own fans, as students and alumni alike showed it in bunches when they streamed to bars or their cars one week after they reveled in a field-storming success."

What does this even mean? Were we supposed to storm the field after this pathetic game? Is it not okay to leave the stadium when you lose, or should you stick around and hang out afterwards???

4. The fans will come when the team wins. Winning solves everything.

5. I'm still cautiously optmistic the program is heading in the right direction, but we'll see. However, this idiotic article touched a nerve.


Sean
(10/24/11 6:20pm)
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When I was at Wisconsin and we won a grand total of three games in two years, we still would have to show up early to PACK the student sections O and P and get in free with our student ID's. We would put over 60,000 in Camp Randall for a Michigan or OSU game, even though we were the perennial bottom feeders of the Big Ten and usually got slaughtered.

From my vantage point to their right, the UVA student section - pearls and ties, arriving late and leaving early - is an embarrassment. Crowds matter a lot when you are bringing high school kids here and trying to recruit them. Props to the band and those that sit near them, but the hill is a joke.


Brian
(10/24/11 6:40pm)
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60,000 at Camp Randall is also about 75% capacity.

Pearls and ties are a southern tradition, one that you'll also find at Vandy and Ole Miss. I'm a "state school, sea of orange" supporter myself, but I have no problems with keeping the southern tradition alive, if that's how the students want to play it. UVA spent the first 100-whatever years trying NOT to become a state school.


Brian
(10/24/11 6:50pm)
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Also worth noting is that Wisconsin's undergraduate student population is 29,000. Virginia's is 14,000. That's a big difference.

Plus with the cold weather up in Wisconsin, people probably needed to pack the stadium on game days just for warmth.

Kidding, obviously.


Chris
(10/24/11 6:50pm)
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The Wisconsin with twice as many students and alums gets more people to football games? Shocking! Camp Randall at the time you were in school had a capacity of about 77,000, and you are proud of getting 60,000 in. Seems like a ratio of seats to fans that is very similar to our current rate here. Please just stop with the not pertinent personal stories.

And the hill is general admission for all fans and generally has a lot of families. I would expect the left side in particular to be very calm.


Sean
(10/24/11 7:09pm)
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As if UVA students need another solitary excuse to flaunt their unearned wealth. Most of them are from Northern Virginia anyway, and do not ID with the South AT ALL. The point was/is that the egg can indeed come long before the chicken here. Big crowds and rowdy student sections – and there is no comparison between UVA and UW then or now – help recruit and inspire the team. It’s called home field advantage. All the ties/pearls, late/early crew does is chase the 50/50 recruits down to Beamer – who happens to coach at a school pretty far South of here with no such ridiculous traditions or lazy student fans.


J. Mcd
(10/24/11 10:38pm)
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Sean. You are a 40+ year old who has no affiliation with the University. Please go away, or if you insist, stick to abortion topics.

"lazy student fans"\n"ridiculous traditions"\n "unearned wealth"

What the fk is wrong with you? Why are you so obsessed with this school you hate so much? You are pathetic in so many ways I feel bad for you....


Matt
(10/24/11 11:19pm)
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I recall back when Groh was still coach, we were ranked #10 coming up against #18 Miami at home; simply put, a HUGE game, I forget the year.

Anyways, I recall (before I was a student at UVA), watching from the west side of Scott Stadium as they opened the gates that the students come through. Those student section seats were full in 5 minutes...droves of students literally sprinted for a spot in those seats...the stadium was sold out.

Now, obviously, this proves much to the point that on-field success will drive students as well as other fans to attend. As a current student, I will be the first to admit that our student fan base isn't exactly super intimidating; for many of these students, it's simply a social outing, essentially to the tune of making an appearance for a little while and leaving early, or arriving late. Sitting in the student section as I do now, I see a fair number of fellow students who do not scream yell or cheer at any point. Obviously, that is their choice to make, but my point is this:

UVA "student" fans are more or less fair weather in some regards...as are many of the other fans (I've been coming to Scott for every home game the past 8 years)...much of the fan base for these games are families with children and the older crowd, most of whom do not feel compelled to get too rowdy. Anyways, back to my point...the students here will cheer and be enthusiastic once UVA produces us another #10 ranked team...or at least a team with marginal success (bowling every year)...as I said, so many students see it as a social event now because the product on the field just isn't enough to get worked up over...

I remember in Grohs' last year how apathetic I became about the actual game and how I had my fun tailgating, which is not how I personally want it to be...that trend is returning this year though...I still go into the game and scream and yell my heart out...but when a subpar product is being presented on the field...don't be shocked when I leave early.


HokieHi
(10/25/11 12:28am)
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This is why you all can't have a nice football program. You just don't care. When VT loses, we pack the stands for the next game to make sure it doesn't happen again. I guarantee you the attendance will be lower at UVA for your next home game. Thats the difference between the programs. Sorry bout it. (not sorry).


Sean
(10/25/11 1:12am)
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Oh embittered McD, can you even begin to grasp how silly you look posting personal attacks ANONYMOUSLY on a thread that was about FOOTBALL? Probably not. The truth can be a very enraging thing, can’t it? You really think that nobody walks down University Ave. during a game and thinks all three of those things? Really? Are you serious? The UVA undergrad I live with does.

As for me, I think YOU are obsessed with me. Myself and some colleagues (most of them UVA students) confronted UVA for some dishonesty and cruelty they are involved in. UVA has already capitulated to our demands 4 times, and we’re just getting started. Sullivan hasn’t written you any letters lately, has she? Rage all you want. This was a thread about FOOTBALL. I’m in the West end with the older alumni and families from places you’ve never heard of - like Fluvanna and Nelson. The ones who don’t personify any of those three things you listed. I think all three of them hit home a bit too hard for you.


Wahoorn
(10/25/11 5:00am)
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Sean, Camp Randall's filled no matter what because where else are all those drunk people gonna go? State Street's quite a hike from there, especially this time of year. Take it easy, bro. It's just football. And I agree- I toted my three-year old daughter to the Idaho and NC State games, and it's awfully tempting to break for the exits to beat the crowd. Anyone with a toddler could sympathize, hopefully.

HokieHi, give me a break. Want me to find those ESPN replays of the fans booing and streaming out of Lane during the Clemson game? Or the lamentations in the VT student paper and blogs about thrown airplane bottles of liquor all of the field, etc? Mmmm, I didn't think so. Not that you'll return, of course, since you decided to troll a UVA Student website in the first place, I doubt you came for an actual conversation. Stay classy in Hooterville, there.

And to any of the football players reading this, hey- I stayed to the bitter end. I always do. Southern Miss, there. Idaho, there. NC State, there. FSU last year, UNC, Maryland. You know what my very first UVA Football game was? UVA versus USC, at home, in 2008. And I stayed until the end then, too. Look, you guys, I got a lot of respect for what you can do. UVA football used to be ranked #1 in the country, I remember it happening. We can be ranked #1 again. But that's years down the road; right now, just give us all you've got, every game, and the fans'll be there. And we'll be pulling for you no matter what.


Ben
(10/25/11 9:51am)
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What in the world do you want from people you sophomoric twerp? Down two scores with six minutes left and the anemic offense couldn't move the ball all day, and you expect them to put together two scoring drives with a stop of NCSU in the mix? Are you joking? And you have the audacity to be a self righteous, condescending nit and tell these people - who have shelled out tens of thousands of dollars over the years - when they can leave a game? Like they have some obligation to stay and sit and watch ugly, painful football. It's like having your eyes held open to watch your puppy get run over. No one wants to do it. And hey, Matt, guess what? We don't have to do it. Anybody who has sat through - in the last ten years - FSU @ Tallahassee in '04, The Smurf Turf Bowl, big game chokes against Miami with divsional supremacy on the line, 9 losses to Tech, blowouts to UNC at Scott, Wyoming, Western Michigan, William and Mary, Duke, Duke, Duke....no. I can leave. This isn't preschool. Im an adult and I dont need to subjugate my happiness and my pleasure to anyone else's ''needs.'' It was painful to stay until the pick 6, and if I had any standards about watching football, I'd have left at halftime to avoid watching the rest of that horrendous offensive display.

Take your condescension somewhere else. Earn your own money, drop it on this team and the experience of being a fan, watch them rip your heart out for a few decades, and then come back and tell me what a bad person I am for walking out with 6 minutes left in a two score game against a team we should have mauled up front with their 37 players out injured.


Daniel A.
(10/25/11 10:06am)
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London needs to stop coddling the fans and saying "he doesnt notice" how about he does what Dana Holgerson did in this video. Also if Mike is reading this get rid of Adventures of Cavman what are we a middle school football team? Youtube "Auburn tunnel video"

http://www.wvillustrated.com/story/15614405/dana-holgorsen-news-conference-connecticut-week?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6316486

(Fast Forward to 14:00)

Fan support is fickle Tech fans leave after Clemson, WVU fans don't show up after playing LSU, Auburn fans streaming out the stadium when they were losing to Utah St. This isnt a problem exclusive to UVA. Whining about fans leaving early is a waste of time, you want fans to stay? Win the game. You want fans to show up? Stop playing Eastern Mich, Idaho, and Indiana.

Finally the student support really isnt the problem. You look at the student section and it is pretty full. The rest of the lower bowl and the upper level sections are completely barren. UVA is smart they can think of some incentive for people in the surrounding area to show up. Here's my solution offer something people want for showing up. How about if you buy a real ticket that is affordable (No one will pay $45 to watch us play Idaho) and give them an incentive like a coupon for a Chipotle burrito. Look at how this program works for the Caps/Wizards. Huge success for a really crappy team(Wizards). If you think this problem is bad I went to UVA at UNC this year. Their student section doesn't show up until midway through the first and they have plenty of empty seats too. Do you think the fans at Duke, Wake, BC, Nc St, or Miami show up in huge numbers?

Regarding Virginia Tech please go away. Win a BCS bowl game. You guys pretend you are this elite program but seemingly can't win a big game against a worthy opponent. (Cincy doesnt count) When you compare VT to the better programs you are simply average with delusional fans who think you can compete in the SEC. Make my day and leave for the SEC I'll gladly enjoy Nick Saban beat you guys like a drum. (I only have to wait til 2012 for that) I love how VT fans think they are this fantastic team but really you're the best team in arguably the worst BCS conference. Basically you are the smartest special needs kid. (Yeah I know that means UVA is horrible I get it) Congratulations!


Gobble Gobble
(10/25/11 10:17am)
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Wahoorn: Who cares about an ESPN replay about a bad game? The very next week after the Clemson game, Lane Stadium literally caused a minor earthquake to appear on campus seismographs at the end of the Miami game. Our fans come back in force every week, even after a disappointing loss. And yet again, Scott Stadium is going to be a minor version of Lane Stadium: North this year.

Also, as someone who reads the Collegiate Times regularly, I am genuinely curious as to the lamentations of airplane bottles being thrown everywhere because I don't remember reading that recently. Sure there might be a few fans having a little too much fun in the student section here (you should see the crime blotter the week after a game), but I sure do remember opinion pieces in the Cav Daily wishing watching UVA football was more like a game in Blacksburg.


ulstercav
(10/25/11 10:47am)
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HokieHi, seemingly you are too young to remember VT before this wonderful run Beamer has produced for you. I can remember in the late 80s/early 90s Tech fans celebrating 12K in season tickets. I remember the excitement that you were going to have a near sellout against JMU. If you could get near 50K (Lane seated 51K at the time) against any team not named Miami, WVT or UVa, it was amazing.

Yes, things are quite different today. The major change is your team is going to have its 18th or 19th straight winning season and probably have its 8th straight 10+ winning season. You want to make comment about us, see me when you've had 4 out of 5 losing seasons (possibly going on 5 out of 6. ) THEN let's look at the strength of the "Hokie Nation"


Hoo Da Man
(10/25/11 10:48am)
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Thanks for your input Hokies. Shouldn't you be getting the hype machine going for next year. Maybe NEXT year you'll win it all. Yeah, there's always next year again and again.\nAs for this stupid article, London said it best, "people want to feel good about this program" but right now, in general, they simply don't. Only winning will cure that. I have faith in London and his players. I'll be there supporting the team. This type of article does no more than aggravate the diehard fans who are there through thick and thin. Very few who are walking out early or doing things other than attending the games will even see the many articles like this. Preach on Matt, but please realize your preaching isn't getting too far past the choir.


Brian
(10/25/11 11:05am)
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ulstercav is on point.


Sean
(10/25/11 12:00pm)
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No Surrender!


Brawner Cates
(10/25/11 8:45pm)
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11 punts in third quarter! Just glad I wasn't at the 0-0 Soccer match in Blacksburg.If C-ville would build some roads so folks could get the hell home maybe they would "Stay A Little Bit Longer" Your infrastructure sucks.It can't accomodate folks for a big football game.Fortunately there are none fo these in C-Ville.Need to check with the legislature in Richmond!Get some road money!



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